Summary
Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.
Summary
Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.
Well, would you look at that, third-party protest voters / abstainers / “undecideds”: you saved Palestine. /s
Voting a third party or not supporting the system at all is the good choice here because it’s the only hope to save palestine. You do not save palestine by voting between two parties open about its destruction.
If by saving, they meant “it literally won’t exist” anymore, then yeah. 2000 pound bombs are good for leveling entire city blocks.
Most of Gaza is already leveled and uninhabitable. They didn’t need 2000 pound bombs.
Think of all the time they save of demolition services! /s
So glad they helped save Palestine, and definitely weren’t just eating up propaganda to get 🥭 reelected.
I love that your defense here is: “Look at that, you’re just as big of a piece of shit as we are.”
But in reality, they’re objectively more moral than you are in voting against genocide. That it may happen anyway doesn’t change that.
By not voting, you voted for genocide under Trump. There is no neutrality against fascism, and there is no nonparticipation. You’re either against them or you’re with them.
Genocide under Trump vs. genocide under Biden isn’t a big moral difference. Your argument is supposed to be that the other moral issues are critically important, not that the flavor of genocides are important.
That is my argument, which you know, which is why you’re trying to pretend it isn’t. Does this normally work on people or something?
Is it really “voting against genocide” when they voted against all the arms shipment pauses that are now being overturned? They voted against an administration, that administration lost, and now the winner has hit the ground running making the genocide immediately worse. What’s “objectively more moral” about increasing arms shipments to genociders?
I voted for Kamala, but you have to be pretty dense to think that there is any meaningful difference between how Kamala and Trump would have handled Palestine. They’re both full-on Zionists. Giving them some bigger bombs won’t change things much. They already flatten entire neighborhoods at a whim.
If two candidates will likely both be abominable on an issue you care about, you might as well vote to hold the one representing the party that has already committed genocide accountable.
You realize the conversation started because Trump reversed the ban on the sale of some type of bombs which Harris wouldn’t have done, right? Because right away it shows a pretty meaningful difference.
And you realize the genocide in gaza started because the government Harris was the vicepresident of backed israel with “whatever it needs”?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
Evidence suggests the 2000 lb. bombs were not the key factor in Israel committing genocide.
Kamala called for a ceasefire.
Trump said Biden should “Let [Israel] go and let [Israel] finish it.” and now he’s saying we’re going to give Israel bigger bombs to do it while removing economic sanctions on Israeli occupiers.
How can you say there is no meaningful difference?
So did Biden. She also said she couldn’t think of anything Biden had done that she’d have done differently. There’s a good reason people were skeptical about her being any different from what’s already happening.
I’m not sure how telling me that she’s the same as Biden is any kind of rebuttal to what I said. I responded to someone saying they believed Kamala and Trump would have no meaningful difference in their handling of it. I replied by linking to quotes from those two people showing a markedly different attitude (one says “stop shooting” and the other says “keep shooting until it’s done”). And now we’re seeing that Trump, as President, is carrying out actions consistent with what he said as a candidate, which were and are the opposite of what Kamala was saying before the election.
Because Biden was not meaningfully opposing the genocide but would say he wanted peace. We can’t know whether Harris was actually lying when she said she didn’t want to change anything, but saying she’s in favor of a cease fire and saying she didn’t want to act any differently than Biden isn’t a contradiction. He said he wanted a cease fire, and then he armed and shielded the genocide. We already have the template for how that works.
You still are ignoring the fact that we were comparing Kamala and Trump.
And Trump said as a candidate he thought we should do even less than Biden, and now is doing exactly that. So where in all of this am I supposed to have expected that Kamala would have been the same as Trump?
At some point the genocide is bad enough that there’s not much difference in further degrees. Doing even less than Biden isn’t a whole lot less, because Biden was barely doing anything and none of it seems to have been at all effective. An advanced military with unrestrained targeting and an infinite supply of 500 lb. bombs can destroy things pretty completely.
Perhaps we should try to agree on what empowering means:
Trump’s actions are empowering the genocide because they are clearly supportive of both Israel’s bombing and occupation.
I despise Trump, but I do not buy that argument for a second. You’re clearly taking a meaning that you’re inventing on your own, not from the text itself. “Let Israel go and finish it” could just as easily be interpreted as “they need to wrap this war up and reach a cease fire.”
Kamala called for a ceasefire, but her and Biden wouldn’t lift a pinky finger to actually produce such a cease fire. Trump seems to have actually succeeded at getting a ceasefire.
I don’t need to make anything up. Trump followed up his words as a candidate with his actions as president to resume giving Israel the bigger bombs that Biden stopped giving them and to remove financial sanctions on Israeli occupiers.
I mean sure if you ignore the fact that Biden stopped shipping these bigger bombs and tried using financial sanctions then yeah, they didn’t lift a finger.
Trump himself said he’s not confident the ceasefire will hold, and by some accounts Israel has already violated it
Trump didn’t do fuck all to get a ceasefire. The Biden admin negotiated it for months, but Israel held off right until the end (ala Reagan and Iran). Now that trump is in and removing all sanctions and weapon blocks, Israel is right back at “operations” in Gaza. Just remember that everything that happens from here on out should be hung around your neck and other Trump voters / sit it out voters. There’s never been a peaceful way out of fascism.
This is just blatantly disingenuous. It is not aligned with reality. You’re either delusional or you’re pushing a false narrative intentionally.