Summary

Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.

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    I can’t find the will to make a leopards/faces joke about this. This is exactly what we told people who wouldn’t vote for Harris because of “gEnOcIdE jOe” bullshit.

    Biden made real efforts to prevent the Israeli government from committing genocide. They failed, but they tried. Now we’ve got an absolute monster in charge who is going to outright empower the genocide.

    If you voted for Trump, voted for a third party, or refused to vote… FUCK YOU. You own this.

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      Biden made real efforts to prevent the Israeli government from committing genocide.

      Okay I don’t have the energy to refute to this stuff anymore, so lemme just ask: Do you seriously believe the president of the united states, the single largest benefactor of Israeli regional hegemony, doesn’t have the ability to enforce its own laws and prevent violations of international law by its protectorate?

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        It’s a much, much more complicated situation than you’re presenting. Biden was trying to thread the needle between “deny Israel weaponry” (end result: Opportunistic invasion by Israel’s neighbors) and “give Netanyahu all the weapons he wants” (end result: what we’re about to see with these gigantic, city-block-destroying bombs).

        How would you do it?

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          Oh, it’s the “but what about the Jews” argument. You do realize Israel’s whole problem with its neighbors is their treatment of Palestinians, right? If Israel can’t stop its apartheid and make real.peace with their neighbors then they deserve to get invaded. Their apartheid state isn’t worth more than the at least 200 thousand Palestinians who died in Israel’s genocide. I’ll also point out that Israel has the most advanced military in the region, so the idea that Israel can’t resist an invasion is wrong.

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            Do you think Israel should be destroyed?

            Edit: Interesting. No one is willing to say “no.”

            Here’s the thing: What Joe Biden tried (and yes, failed, because Netanyahu is a corrupt madman) to do was simultaneously support Israel’s right to exist and defend itself, and do what he could to minimize damage to Gaza.

            Now we have a “president” who will gleefully help Netanyahu destroy Gaza entirely and take over the land. You’ve gone from someone whose friendship to Palestine was tepid to someone who actively wants it destroyed.

            This isn’t an upgrade.

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              Do you think Israel should be destroyed?

              You types always phrase it “destroyed”. What does that mean? Should the state dissolve? Yes. Should it be bombed with a nuke? No. Should there be equality in the region? Yes. Radical take I know.

              Do you understand the difference between an imaginary social structure ending, and millions of people being killed? Like, if a company goes bankrupt and dissolves, does that mean all its employees are killed, in your mind? Or are we just mindlessly going with the racist imperial narrative of “if we don’t genocide them they’ll genocide us the first chance they get”?

              do was simultaneously support Israel’s right to exist and defend itself, and do what he could to minimize damage to Gaza.

              Here’s the actual thing. This was the PR line ran by the Biden administration as they violated domestic and international law to send billions of dollars in arms to a genocide. There is no legal “right to exist” under international law, for any state. There is a “right to self-defense” but that right doesn’t exist in the context of an illegal military occupation (the occupation of Palestine) - the “right” in that scenario is the right of the occupied people to resist. That’s not a hypothetical “right”, that’s an enshrined legal right under international law. The same way that if Canada or Russia or whoever invaded the U.S. and stationed troops for 57 years, we’d have a right to take up arms against them. The equivalent in that situation, for the “right” that you think exists, would be the “right” of the invading Canadians to mass murder American civilians based on the (unsubstantiated) rationale that militants are hiding underneath churches, hospitals, elementary schools, water treatment plants, etc. Also known as “no holds barred genocide”.

              The Biden administration knows this. Biden knows it, Blinken knows it, Matt Miller knows it, Kamala Harris knows it, Vedant Patel knows it, Linda Thomas Greenfield knows it. This is a case of “they are incentivized to forget it”. Also known as “the lowest depths of human evil”. The fact that YOU haven’t noticed this is the entire problem - you, and the other Democrats, and the Republicans all. To us, you are hardly different - the Republicans just a little more stupid.

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              Yeah, why not? Again, apartheid states don’t deserve to exist. Also I’ll note that this is not the same as “should Israelis be all mercilessly slaughtered”, that’s a different question with a different answer.

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          Its not complicated at all when multiple international human rights organizations credibly found Isreal was committing war crimes and the US already has a law preventing the sale of arms to nation’s credibly accused of war crimes. Biden was the cheif executive all he had to do was execute a law that was already on the books. Neither the SC nor Congress would have had any say.

          Stop carrying water for genocide financiers who had every opportunity to do something different.

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            That’s not an answer, and I’m not “carrying water for genocide financiers.” I never once excused or denied Israel’s behavior. Netanyahu responded to a horrendous terrorist attack by turning the dials on “horrendous” and “terror” up to 11. He’s a monster and a war criminal and should spend the rest of his life in prison.

            Now then, how would you do it? Put yourself in the president’s shoes. You need to come up with a solution that allows Israel to continue to exist and not be destroyed by, say, Iran… AND allows the Palestinians to survive. Cut off all weapons, goodbye Israel. Give Israel a blank check, goodbye Palestine. What do you try to do?

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              I gave you the solution, it is an answer. Follow the law as written, Israel is not above the law. You keep jumping through hoops to say we can’t follow the law and then claim you don’t carry water for them? Fuck all the way out of here with that cognitive dissonance, you’re practically hasbara.

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        Well, thankfully the alternative is going to stop Israel on it’s tracks and… Oh wait a minute…

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      Trump appears to have pushed Netanyahu to agree to a ceasefire, which Biden failed to do. I wouldn’t be surprised if the delivery of these bombs was part of the backroom deal between Trump and Netanyahu which led to the ceasefire.

      I don’t know what will happen after this ceasefire expires, but until then it’s a little early for those who criticized Biden’s policy on Israel to criticize Trump’s.

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        I wouldn’t be surprised if the delivery of these bombs was part of the backroom deal between Trump and Netanyahu which led to the ceasefire.

        I can’t deny that when seeing the news and timing my first thought was of Reagan and the Iran hostage crisis.

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          I don’t think this is the same thing unless Trump told Netanyahu to delay the ceasefire, and I haven’t heard anyone claim that he did.

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        No it fucking isn’t, what with Israel set to receive 2,000 pound bombs that can level a city block.

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          I love how now you’re arguing that supplying weapons to Israel is a grave sin. How do you feel about supplying 500 pound bombs that can simply level a building?

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        This article is literally about one of Biden’s efforts to rein in the violence. He did try. Now go ahead and excuse Trump freeing up 2,000-pound bombs for Israel, and how that’s better for Palestine than it would be if Harris had won. Good luck.

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          He also bypassed congress twice to give billions of aid to Israel. Nobody is excusing trump freeing 2000 pound of bomb to Israel

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          “We tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas” energy. It’s almost if Palestine was doomed either way. Heck of a lot cheaper to not send bombs to Israel

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            Lying about Biden trying “nothing” doesn’t make it OK that you carried water for Trump.

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              Now that is a lie, anyone who thinks Biden actually tried to stop the genocide is either not paying attention or flat out lying. Not everyone who opposes aiding an active genocide carried water for trump. Believe it or not you can be vocal about being against trump and genocide

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                This is a very simple trolley problem. Do nothing and the Trump train runs over a lot more people. Vote fore Biden and a lot less folks will day. Arguing for the Trump trolley (which you are doing) is foolish.

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                  The setup is correct, but calling the problem “very simple” just means you don’t understand the trolley problem.

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                  If you think that what I said was in support of trump, you are part of the reason trump is in office again. There is no trolley; there be only genocide or we’re sorry still genocide

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                    I don’t think you know what an analogy is. Less people would be harmed under Harris or Biden as President. People like you who say they are the same as Trump are part of the problem. You are creating more suffering.

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        Okay, so even if Biden didn’t try what good did voting for Trump or not voting at all due for our country and or Israel?

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          What? Biden didn’t try. You don’t have to vote for trump or not vote at all, to understand that.