Unless it’s just a hardware driver issue?
If you are in an enterprise environment, it is easier to sell Ubuntu - at least there is a company that can provide support for it behind. Companies want to make sure someone is on the hook to fix an issue that would be blocking to them, and this is much harder with something like Debian.
That’s why Red Hat is used that much in companies, and what Canonical main revenues are coming from.
But as a selfhoster, I use Debian by default for my servers. Only if there is a very specific need for Ubuntu would I switch, and I am frankly tired of the Snap shenanigans on my desktop (thinking of migrating to PopOS or KDE Neon).
I’ve really enjoyed Neon. It still has snaps, but everything going through the Discovery app makes installs of flat oaks or snaps seamless.
PopOS is great but threw me for a loop with its lack of GRUB.
Having experienced Canonical’s support, if anyone actually needs it they go to RHEL.
Support & community come to mind.
To a typical user/newcomer to servers it’s easier to find some solution for Ubuntu, than for Debian. And boy, can Debian users be full of themselves… 😑
Could be worse, could be Arch users
Ubuntu solutions are Debian solutions
Ubuntu is what grew out of Debian.
But it’s radically different ENVIRONMENT these days.
Yeah, but the essentials still map like 90% of the time, unless you are using their paid stuff
I agree, but the question wasn’t about the percentage of cases, but about the possible reason to choice Ubuntu over Debian…
In my limited experience, that’s pretty accurate unfortunately. But with so many Debian tools becoming more popular, I bet that attitude will change soon
Hard to tell.
Whole Linux movement has plenty of classes to take, if it wants to become more relevant. And social skills is one of the most important among these…
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Why wouldn’t they? I use arch btw. No joke intended.
Ubuntu has a bigger market share in the support department. Makes it easier to find advice that applies specifically to your setup.
Having worked at a cloud provider for awhile and also done support, the reasoning is generally that Ubuntu is the “path of least resistance” to getting running. They have a super engaged community and the market share leads to a lot of guides across the web being primarily made for Ubuntu.
To be fair, it also helps that their LTS support is really nice and their repos are a lot closer to up-to-date than a bunch of others.
Cuz it doesn’t really matter that much
In years past, I chose Ubuntu over Debian because of some key packages that were more up to date on Ubuntu LTS then Debian. Now that I’m running basically everything in containers I’ll be switched back to Debian over the next upgrade cycle
Anytime is an upgrade cycle when youre indecisive as hell
(Almost don’t even use my PC cause its always migrating somehow lmao)
ZFS without having to faff around with DKMS
This is huge for me as well and is what will keep me on Ubuntu Server until I have a very very good reason to leave or someone else adds it.
wasn’t zfs deprecated from the installer in ubuntu server?
Think it’s not supported for the root filesystem anymore but that’s not my usecase anyway. Still supported for non root filesystems.
Most people only relate Linux to Ubuntu, Linux init system to SysVInit or SystemD, Containerisation to Docker or Kubernetes, Linux desktop to Gnome.
In some cases, it may be due to official support being available but most of the time it’s just that people are being taught Ubuntu first as “THE Linux” and that’s what they use since then.
I’d be happier with just SysVInit and not SystemD
That’s fine, or someone with a brain come to pipewire systemd into decent software, either way.
Too convoluted, fit into bureaucracy and contains incentive for RedHat to not make it easier to understand. I say we shoot the entire project but that’s not going to happen with Debian and Arch using it (I cried the days they made the switch, respectively)
Hopefully IBM kills redhat with their shit touch like everything else and put them out of our misery.
Our misery indeed. But will doing that give Suse the monopoly over RPM-based distributions in the enterprise space? I don’t know. I’m happy as long as Rocky and Alma figure something out
You’re not wrong, but at the same time suse is one of the oldest distros, and having worked with them they seem to have the best attitude, I’ve never seen them be dicks about anything to anyone.
Still, never good to depend on anyone lest they turn out evil, but I’ve hated redhat since they started, they wanted to become Microsoft from the beginning and all their code looks like it came straight out of Redmond.
So I don’t see it getting worse at least.
One of Ubuntu’s strengths from an enterprise perspective is that it produces server and desktop solutions that require minimal cross-training to support both.
Historically I’ve done exactly that. Debian for servers, Ubuntu for workstations (because I like GNOME). But my hate for Snap runs so deep that I’ve started using Debian w/ GNOME more and more often over the last year or so.
But my hate for Snap runs so deep that I’ve started using Debian w/ GNOME more and more often over the last year or so.
As a Linux Mint user I’ve seen the writing on the wall and will be switching to Linux Mint Debian Edition next time I reinstall my desktop.
I don’t think it matters but I usually pick Ubuntu as the base for my server(s) just because I tend to always go back to an Ubuntu spin as my daily driver. It’s better to just have it be the same.
I’m a bit of a noob so I ended up going with Ubuntu after trying a few other distros. I’m sure I could have fixed the issues I was having but it was easier to troubleshoot and find solutions online due to the larger install base.
Also more things were just working out of the box
When I last used Debian, I found myself very annoyed with the lag in the package manager. This is a very long time ago (15 years?), so probably isn’t the case any longer. However, due to laziness (or proactively avoiding a bikeshed rabbit hole) I didn’t check and just chose Ubuntu over Debian the other day because of that.
