Wasn’t Rossman’s whole point that people that clowning on others for buying Apple instead of clowning on Apple is aiding Apple anyway?
If Apple get away with it, Samsung’ll do it. So will Huawei, and Google, and Motorola. Apple users are not good punching bags
This fight about whether owning an android device or an Apple device having any morality associated with it at all is stupid.
Change my mind
I also think it’s interesting how many people are trying to de-google their lives but still simp for android. One reason I like Apple is because they jealously guard my data and don’t sell it.
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The fight is actually about the non-repairability of apple products, mostly laptops in Louis Rossmans’s case, and not related to android.
I think repairability is a discussion. But we can also talk about how android makers cut updates off sooner which dooms the hardware to be trashed quicker. Or the very real human cost of google killing projects related to android and selling data. Also, a lot of the Apple stuff has to do with cost to repair, not repairability. At the end of the day, Apple can and does repair and resell their stuff. They just charge more to do so. But a lot of their users pay up for it. Would be interesting to see the stats on where broken devices end up for each
Sure, but this is a Louis Rossman quote. if you follow his channel he delves into what othe companies do also, but Apple is going above an beyond to make it so you can’t get your product repaired. Even a tiny switch to know if lid is open or closed can’t be changed because it will stop the device from booting, or if it is just a tiny ribbon cable apple will tell you it is not repairable and have to buy a new device. He is a right to repair advocate, not a bash apple ignore android manufacturers. Anyway there is GrapheneOS for “Android” phones. You can kiss google goodbye and get 5 years OS updates with Graphene
Simping is not the same as lacking a reasonable alternative
I freely admit to being that sucker. In a weak moment during a Covid lockdown I bought an iPad Pro. Worst purchase ever. It’s too heavy to use comfortably, the battery life is shit and the paucity of apps compared with my Android phone is ridiculous. Worst of all, it died suddenly less than 18 months after I bought it. It was replaced under consumer laws here, but still. I feel like an idiot for having bought it.
The only other Apple product I own is a 160GB iPod Classic, bought in 2007 and still going strong. Sturdy, good battery life, small size, decent interface, room for all my music. So of course it’s no longer produced or supported.
Rossman has been spewing literal facts for years now.
Bought Asus laptop, just 1.5 year later the product is discontinued and no support page can be found. They also stopped selling the charging brick for it.
Bought Sony headphones, a year later wanted to replace the foam. No customer support, no repair, just nada.
Bought Samsung phone. Filled to brim with bloat. Shows me ads on lockscreen. Crawling speed in 2 years. No updates.
Bought an iPhone for mom. Still getting updates after 4 years. Got battery replaced with no hassle.
Don’t knock it till you try it.
These seem like cherry picked examples to an extent.
Most Asus laptops charge with basic USB C which can easily be purchased anywhere. They also use M.2 SSD’s instead of soldered one’s and standard screws vs Apple’s special shaped ones.
Apple’s only headphones + replacement pads are going to over 2x the price of even high-end Sony headphones. Plus Apple exclusively puts the Lightning jack on them instead of USB C or a 3.5mm jack
None of the Samsung phones I’ve ever used have had ads on the Lock Screen or any bloat that wasn’t easy to completely ignore. The ones that do are typically cheaper than the cheapest iPhone and an unfair comparison
Asus also sells many parts individually for self-repair, in contrast to Apple and the shenanigans that accompany their ‘self serve repair’ program
Bought Samsung phone. Filled to brim with bloat. Shows me ads on lockscreen. Crawling speed in 2 years. No updates.
Which one did you get? Mine’s 4 years old, still gets updates, no ads, zippy enough that I can dictate messages.
Okay, this one’s not 4 years old, because I cracked the face on mine and ordered a refurb so really it’s a year old copy of a 4±year old phone.
Framework laptop is your answer. https://frame.work/
Framework laptop is too expensive for me at the moment
I just use a Dell laptop upgraded with an SSD with Xubuntu on it
Honestly I gave up on Samsung a while ago. Not generally a fan of Google’s business practices but I switched to a Pixel a year ago and it’s already leagues better than any of the Samsung phones I used.
Samsung has been becoming increasingly like Apple.
The S23 Ultra (their top of the line phone) has an excellent camera and image stabilization and a stylus. It doesn’t, however have expandable storage, an IR blaster, headphone jack. or a removable battery.
I have a Galaxy Tab A7 Lite (rooted and debloated)
I don’t like that I don’t get updates after I rooted it. Also screw Google safetynet (although this is not just limited to Samsung devices)
Also FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, Samsung, please use a standard fastboot implementation instead of Download mode/odin bs
It is a decent tablet though in terms of hardware
So, you replaced the battery yourself or went to an independent repair shop?
Bought an iPhone for mom. Still getting updates after 4 years.
Updates, yes. Security updates, hell no. Apple admit this himself, only the latest iOS if compatible get security updates.
Yes security updates.
Latest iOS is still available to 4 year old hardware.
Based on previous trends, GP’s mom will get another year of updates.
Been using Android for over a decade now. With the recent removal of 3.5mm jacks, I had to look into usb-c to 3.5mm adapters, because I prefer using my wired IEMs.
It turns out the apple usb-c to 3.5mm adapter is actually top notch, and only costs $9. Plenty of folks use that as an upgrade for their computers built in soundboard, because the digital to analog converter on the adapter is excellent and superior to most built in soundboards.
I’ve always liked their earbuds, they’re the only reputable manufacturers that still use the old style rather than those SkullCandy or beats ass inserts that don’t fit in my ear, so they’re the only headphones I can actually use. The old Bose inserts worked for me too but idek if Bose makes that style anymore.
Their best value product haha
This is solid advice for anyone who loves their music.
I miss the 3.5 so much. Especially the LG G20(on onward) series. But it is not to be. But the apple adapter on your phone is a great substitute. I’ve done it for a while now.
Didn’t know it was used for folks on the comp, so that pretty neat to know.
The people who killed the headphone jack…
After over a decade on Android I’m going to switch to an iPhone for my next phone (once they go USB c). I have always bought flag ship Android phones and I haven’t been impressed lately. Awful customer service from Google with my latest Pixel 6 was the last straw. I don’t mind playing extra to make sure I have a working phone
You too? I started with Android 1.5 (or whatever the first Motorola Droid shipped with). At that time, Android felt so much closer to my OS of choice - a Linux distro - that I was excited to own a Google phone.
Over time I’ve been less than enthusiastic about what each iteration of the OS brings. Now that it’s near impossible to have root and not have to play Whack A Mole with hiding that root access from specific apps (never mind finding phones where you can unlock the bootloader), I’m out. Google is making it impossible to use your phone the way you want. Pixel phones aren’t attractive to me based on really spotty history.
Linux phones just aren’t there yet. I’ve owned a couple of Pinephones, but I want more from them than they can currently offer.
That leaves Apple. They have their issues, sure, but if I can’t have root control of my phone without massive hassle, then I might as well have a more polished experience. I’m envious of the free features my wife gets on her 2nd gen SE.
Yeah, I’ve lost all faith in Google and the direction they’re taking Android and the Internet
I went the other way, I don’t need my phone to do fancy shit because I have a PC, so I put GrapheneOS on it and have no regrets. I could even have a separate profile with google services on it if I wanted but I haven’t needed to.
The iPad is great for art so I would mostly agree except for some things
I have no interest in changing an obviously uneducated opinion.
I’ll continue to enjoy my iPhone, my development MacBook Pro, my Windows gaming rig, my Linux server, and everything else that I choose to buy because I use all of it, happily every day.
noooooo, you can’t do that! you have to pick a side and fling poo at the other side! /s
NOOOO YOU MUST BUY LINOX PC AND PHONE AND GAME CONSOLE!!!
Facts! They buy simply to show off the logo and demonstrate they can afford to hang in a walled garden.
Edit: iPhones are more “private and secure” out of the box, but it literally takes half a brain with 5 minutes in Android settings to surpass this LOW bar.
Android has encryption by default, good sandboxing, ability to install a more secure OS (if OEM doesn’t suck), etc.
The only thing iOS has going for it is that it treats the users like babies and doesn’t allow sideloading
it treats the users like babies
That’s been Apple’s entire M.O. since their beginning. It’s why they brought GUIs to the desktop in the early 80s, and retain such tight control over their designs. If there is a chance a user could become lost, misconfigure, or break something, they default to locking it down.
They turn computing devices into toasters that Grandma can operate.
While this is true, when I still used macOS, I simply learnt to use the terminal. It’s unix like so it’s not that hard. Allows you far more freedom. They basically lock away anything remotely difficult behind the terminal so that it scares off casual users. Basic stuff? GUI. Anything more difficult? Terminal.
I think apple’s software is excellent. Certainly better than windows in many ways.
The hardware and how they treat customers when things break due to poor design? That’s another matter.
I’m an android user and have been from the start.
However, I have tiny ears, so I can’t really use those in-ear earbuds that are common now. I did some research and frequently at the top of the lists for open earbuds that are Bluetooth are the…you might need to sit down for this…airpods. Yes, I know, crazy.
So here I am with airpods and a pixel 7. And they work great for $100 which isn’t a crazy price compared to earbuds from companies like Google or Sony. Yes, most Apple stuff is overpriced, but they make good hardware, and I wish fanboys would stop making everything so black and white.
I also 100% use airpods with my Samsung phone - I tried a few other models, and they were all garbage for one reason or another while my wife never had any issues with her airpods.
With the andropod app, you basically get first class support with them, and my pair has now been chugging along for a few years with no sign of dying on me.
Couldn’t agree more with your last sentence as well - the fact is that every single major tech brand has a myriad of issues. Apple is very far from perfect, but so is Google, and so is Samsung, and so is Microsoft. If buying from any of those companies makes you a sucker, then 99.99% of people are suckers - including most of the people standing on their soapboxes in this thread, as i highly doubt they’re all using purely OSS solutions on pine phones and old Thinkpads lol
That’s why all mine are hand-me-downs. My family are the suckers.
I buy Fairphone!
I hope OLED becomes ethical enough one day for them to use it
The only product from Apple I’ve ever been impressed by was Airpods and now every other company has them. I bought mine on a huge sale because I don’t respect their bullshit prices and I do like them a lot, but I’m sure there are other brands I would like just as much now that they’ve been around for years.
That’s funny because I think the AirPods are quite terrible, but what is great about them is how they just work. I have beats because I wanted them for working out, but they never have issues connecting or switching between devices. But they don’t sound great and you can most definitely get higher quality audio from other brands. But you can’t beat how easy it is to use them.
For me it’s at least 90% the shape. I absolutely cannot stand the normal earbuds that have rubber you shove into your ear canal. It’s insanely uncomfortable to me, borderline painful even with the smallest tips I’ve found. So when I first saw the shape of the original Airpods it was like beams of light shined down and harps started playing. So there’s tons of alternatives now, but the ones I can choose from is still slim picking.
Yeah I hate the shape as well. The first apple earbuds (up until the most recent ones) are trash. I had to start wearing ear plugs to bed the past few years though so I’ve gotten way more used to stuff being in my ears. Still, earbuds suck.
I tend to buy iMacs for my workhorse home machines. They tend to last about 10 years or more before I feel the need to replace them.
Great.
