No, and I don’t give a shit about them or app developers. Sorry, i know I am supposed to fIGhT ThE PoWeR or something, but couldn’t care less. Fed up of reading about it, in fact I’ll probably stop using beehaw because that’s all there is to read - reddit this reddit that. BORING

I disagree, it’s still too early and a bit presumptuous to make such conclusive statements

Sure but I’m not sure why you are bringing this up. What’s the wider point you are trying to make?

Getty is already suing the Dall-E creators, and someone is suing MS for Copilot; so it’s already started

I am sorry but you don’t know what you are talking about. These things are regulated by legal documents, you don’t just wake up on morning and say “trust me bro, their data is public”

If you go and read their TnC’s it explicitly statea that scraping is forbidden without prioir written consent. They only allow access to their data via APIs, which of course they charge for

The fact that it can be easily scraped it’s neither here nor there, if they catch you they can sue you

Technically not (well, they can make it harder), but they can sue them for doing it

Oh I’m not saying they are doing the right thing or that it was the correct decision. Just speculating whether LLMs is what kicked off the whole thing

MUCH heavier accusations

You know, his takes are so extreme I often feel the account is a parody or, slightly more likely, a far right 4chan type posing as a tankie for kicks and giggle (or worse)

Does it matter what Reddit’s business model was founded on? Businesses respond to changing conditions all the time and pivot.

“they got greedy” seems really a naive way of looking at it. They are a business, that’s what businesses are all about. Additionally, they are a busienss which is NOT profitable, and need to to change things to survive now that the era of low interest rates has come to end. The real issue is that they are so inept IMHO

I find the word “entshittification” so cringe

“Merely” - the TOS basically grant Reddit the ability to do what the hell they want with it, LOL

When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit.

And furthermore

You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.

They could have, probably / maybe, but they are quite inept. What is social media if not a giant dataset?!?

Yeah, one of the other answers to the AMA was “we are not profitable yet, unlike the 3rd part app devs…” - that is something that wouldn’t sit well with any investor I know

I agree that them pushing out third party apps when their own is rubbish is an idiotic move - and it will hurt them badly. They rely on people being too addicted to leave (it kind of worked when Musk did it with Twitter) but if the app is unusable it’s simply not going to happen. As someone who uses as few apps as possible (why do people trust the Apollo dev to be any better at privacy than spez? anyhow…) I didn’t quite grasp that for many people Reddit is an app first and foremost. No viable app = no reddit

Oh don’t take me wrong, I am not saying they are handling this well. Specifically on the app, it’s idiotic to force people off unofficial apps without the official app being if not better at least comparable in quality. That’s why I use the web version - that and the fact I don’t want apps collecting location and sensor data as I go about my day. I am not sure why people assume the Apollo devs are trustworthy and are not selling your data like everyone else does.

Am I the only one who doesn’t get all the outrage? They are a private company with a CEO and investors and that’s their data. There was never any promise to be a community effort. Why should they let Apollo etc make money out of their data.

And before people say “it’s NOT their data! Users cre it” - yeah it’s user generated data, which users then donate to Reddit in exchange for reach and publishing tools.

It would be different if it was on the fediverse, which has totally different premises. But Reddit is a private company and eventually they would have to turn a profit. That was always on the cards.

“entshittification” is such a terrible word, can’t believe that a professional writer came up with it

I think this is “normal” and the previous status was a glitch due to the low interest rates. Investors threw money at tech companies and didn’t care whether they made any money. Not any more. It’s now “make money or go bust”. I am not sayiny these new trends will make them money, but IMHO it’s what’s driving them