You won’t find much of an argument with me on any of these points. We see our freedoms get trampled on in the name of… whatever, and too many people just say “thank you sir, may I have another”.

Finally a well thought out and reasonable response. I appreciate that, along with the lack of name-calling.

The issue at hand is, mere negligence, even if it was ruled as such, rarely elicits a conviction, and oftentimes won’t even resort in charges. Stack that with the resentment that roughly 50% of the voting public (not ongoing to argue numbers, just using it as a rough guide) would see it as an attack on the person whom they believed in and voted for (or saw as a foil to someone they liked less, in this case Biden).

There’s also the issue that criminal negligence is notoriously hard to convict on, and in the highly unlikely scenario it were charged, convicted and sentenced, it wouldn’t take a dream team of lawyers to overturn based on unequal application of the law, which, in this case, wouldn’t take more than watching the nightly news.

None of this is stating that it’s my belief that he was criminally negligent by using the terms “fight like hell” and such, I do not. It’s common enough vernacular in the English language that to try and indict, let alone convict on it is pretty paper-thin.

Look, I understand that roughly half of the country dislikes him, if not outright hates him. However, that isn’t enough to throw out precedent in an attempt to remove him from the ballot. The fact that it is being tried in several states is, in its pure form, fascism.

Interesting that you bring up the possibility of false flag actors, I wasn’t going to go there, but I do appreciate the honesty in that it is quite possible there were some there.

What, pray tell, gives you that idea? Considering i seem to know more about it than most of the people in this thread that want to pull some sort of “gotcha” on me, id argue the opposite. What do you find me to be in disagreement with the constitution on? Only arguments I’ve made here have been that there’s no proof that Trump ordered an assault on the capitol. If your argument is that they were whipped up by his rhetoric (and I’d like to see it in context, including the “peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard” part included), then way more people need to be imprisoned longer for their “involvement” in the BLM/antifa riots of 2020. Maxine Waters literally stated that if you see a “Trumper” in a public place to get in their face and tell them they’re not welcome. Seems to be pretty inciting speech, yet she’s free to roam about and squander our tax dollars (like both sides do, I’m not disputing that). You don’t really believe any of this shit, you just hate Trump and see it as an excuse to remove him from politics and to serve as a warning to anyone who dares to stand in the way of your progressive agenda.

Saying I was “there in spirit, so come get me” was pretty obviously a joke. If you don’t like it, that’s on you.

That’ll show me!

At work, about 1,100 miles away. But I was there in spirit, so come get me!!!

Your statement was about the cognitive test he was bragging about, that’s what I was responding to. I fully admit that Trump will brag about anything, not sure where you were going with that statement. If you’d like to take it in another direction, feel free.

Like they say, “don’t feed the bears”

That and I was feeling particularly feisty last night.

And you’re a fuckwit! Name calling is fun!

Never thought being pro-freedom meant fascist to intellectuals such as yourself. A system that could swing from election to election based on one vote seems pretty fucking horrible tbh, especially in the US with our deep partisan divdes. Imagine the sheer horror the libs would go through whe the country went 50.0000000001 to 49.9999999999 conservative and abortion became illegal for 4 years! Bet you’d hate democracy then!

For the record, I’m solidly pro choice, pro 2A, athiest and couldn’t care less who you want to spend your naked time with. Find another lazy insult, fascist already wore itself out, and it doesn’t describe the people you think it does - bet you agree with keeping Trump off the ballot. “Democratic”, indeed.

The fact that you called me a fascist proves you don’t know what the word means

Also funny

Because it’s funny. His own AG stated he wouldn’t be fit to stand trial in a case regarding the classified documents he was illegally in possession of. I will fully admit I’m more Trump than not, but put up a funny Trump meme and I’ll laugh along with you. Last actual funny anti-Trump meme I can recall was one of those “Ladies, find yourself a man who looks at you the way Trump looks at Ivanka”. That actually generated a giggle. The shit I see nowadays is lazy “Orange man in jumpsuit!!! He go jail!”. That shit’s not funny, it’s dumb. I’ve seen some pretty dumbass Biden ones too.

Democracy, by definition, is 50% +1 vote, otherwise known as “mob rule”. That would be an even shittier system to live under.

I’ve read the “relevant portions”, however, in them I still fail to see how Trump himself is implicated. It would be the same if I were to imply that the BLM riots in Minneapolis during 2020 were instigated by Maxine Waters. I’m not, as each individual chooses to riot, and implying that Waters, even with her rhetoric, is not the one at fault for the riot in Minneapolis, just as Trump is not responsible for the riot in DC. You’ll forgive me if I don’t trust a ruling handed down by a court that’s sympathetic to Trump’s opposition.

I’m more than happy to engage in a civil discussion about this, and any other issues, but from all sides, there’s no “there” there when it comes to Trump as a traitor or insurrectionist. Simply a man who was upset about losing an election and the refusal of states to investigate into abnormalities, real OR imagined by the Trump campaign. If he truly was a dictator, he would have refused to leave on 1/20. He didn’t. The peaceful transfer of power occurred like it has throughout our history. The lack of charges of treason and/or insurrection by now, especially with the different factions within both the democrat AND republican parties makes that quite clear - there’s no evidence of such.

Sure a bunch of fuckwits did some dumb shit, and quite a few did some really bad shit. For all of them, I fully support throwing the book at them. However, there is zero proof that Trump is culpable in it.

If you really want to block me but can’t, I’ll go ahead and stop engaging you. I fully respect your wishes and I’m truly sorry if whatever I said somehow caused you grief. I wish the best for you and hope that someday you’ll look back on this conversation objectively, and not through a lens polarized by political beliefs.

Literally didn’t happen. And it was a fire extinguisher.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/brian-sicknick-death-us-capitol-riot/index.html

treason /trē′zən/ noun

The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country, especially by committing hostile acts against it or aiding its enemies in committing such acts. 

The betrayal of someone’s trust or confidence.

The offense of attempting to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance, or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power; disloyalty; treachery.

Seems the one libs are all hanging their hat on is the 1st part of point 3. However, Trump was president on 1/6/21, so who was he trying to overthrow? Himself? Has he attempted to overthrow Biden in the ensuing years? If calling the election “rigged” can be construed as such, you’ve got an even bigger problem on your hands as Raskin, Waters, Schiff, among others, did the same in 2016, so they’re traitors?

Now, if you want to talk about how Biden withheld a billion dollars from Ukraine unless the prosecutor investigating Burisma, and is now dumping billions of our dollars over there… and remember kids, Ukraine has never been our ally. If you feel it’s prudent to start another proxy war with Russia, ask Afghanistan how that turned out.

I do recall something like that, and I recall him passing it. The dude brags all the time about dumb shit, I will wholeheartedly agree to that.

Your point?

Pinpoint exactly how he tried to remain in power. The peaceful transition of power occurred on 1/20/21 as scheduled, nary a violent incident to be found. Your zeal to see a man you disagree with destroyed, being fed by pure idiots as well as some who have far more nefarious intentions, is undeniable. Reams of documents and thousands of hours of video evidence still haven’t surfaced. Yet they keep feeding you lie after lie. If such evidence existed, it would be plastered all over the news, and I would stand beside you to throw him in prison.

On a different topic, but one that’s more in line with the meme posted that started all this, do you agree that Biden should be impeached and put in prison for what remains of his life for the documents he was in no way legally allowed to take possession of after his time as vice president, nor were they secured in any way, shape or form? Or do you agree with AG Garland that he’s unfit to stand trial?

She still calls him an “illegitimate president”

The “dictator on day one” statement was made as a joke, but you know libs, no sense of humor.

I’m well aware that official electors are not bound. Precisely why Charlie Sheen and others made that video. With her fingerprints all over it.

Were any weapons brandished at the capitol riot, let alone a firearm? I’m sure the streets of DC are 100% completely free of any type of weapon, because, laws. Seems leaving your weapons in a hotel room would be pretty stupid if you’re going to commit an “insurrection”. I’d be willing to wager you cheered when James Hodgkinson shot up the republican softball game, an actual terrorist attack (terrorism being defined as -

“The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.”

Or the classified documents by the corvette in the garage! Oh wait…