Challenge: Fight for working class rights without becoming contrarian (impossible)

AI is great for when you’re typing out 30 slight variations of the same thing, and you can just be like “see what I’m doing here? Do it for the other 30 variables” and it does it just fine.

Most of the drugs they ban like cannabis are because of a UN convention that, under US pressure, forced them to, in the 1960’s and 1970’s.

Umm, no. Elected politicians can do whatever tf they want. There’s no legal mechanism to make them fulfill the promises they made during their campaign.

The next election is the mechanism that makes them fulfill the promises they’ve made during their campaign. If your politicians aren’t afraid of losing the next election, you don’t live in a real democracy, you probably live in a FPTP country, and you should fix that.

Not to mention that elected politicians aren’t controlled by the people, most of the government positions aren’t elected.

I don’t know what country you are assuming counts as the entire world with this sentence, I’m going to assume America because it’s usually Americans that do that.

But even then, what is wrong with me hiring someone to hire more people?

Democracy is when Government is owned by people. People own government through democracy. Great argument.

What is your counterargument other than “no”?

If you ask government to persecute people who break the law, do you no longer own people who break the law?

You can’t own people, you never did, what are you trying to ask here?

What do YOU think the people owning the means of production looks like?

Yes Norway, or any other country with proportional representation, but not FPTP democracies.

How else do you think the people can own the means of production?

How are people supposed to control the government?

Through elections.

The government is controlled by govt officials.

That we elected.

How can a government be owned by people?

Through democracy.

Is government even a property that can be owned?

If I ask a friend to water my plants, do I no longer own the plants?

A democracy is a state in which the government is owned and controlled by the people.

I’m Canadian. It’s what the founder of our healthcare system, Tommy Douglas, called it.

And yeah, it’s the people owning the means of producing health. Socialist healthcare.

Americans scare people with these references to brutal authoritarian dictatorships that call themselves “socialist” but the real cause of all these problems is that they weren’t democratic, not that they socialized industries.

Anyways, maybe it’s just my autism making me literal as fuck, but I think you guys need to clear that up. This is what the people owning the means of production looks like. It’s always going to be adjacent to capitalism, whether it’s a socialist industry in a capitalist country, or a socialist country in a capitalist world.

It is in a democratic state. Who else do you think owns it?

Socialized medicine is always cheaper than capitalist medicine. It’s inherently more cost effective for people to pool their money together. It isn’t paid for by some rich miner buying mining rights in some other country.

By that logic, socialism cannot exist until the entire planet is socialist.

Lisa’s only mistake was saying yes.

Just do every single thing in socialism, but change every single word. Call it Americanism.

Proletariat? No, just “worker”.

Bourgeoisie? No, just “elites”.

Capital? “Stuff”. Like how in baseball they say a pitcher’s got good “stuff”. Use your human stuff.

Class Consciousness - “common sense”.

Dialectical Materialism - Idk I’m still trying to figure out wtf that one means.

Stop using polysyallabic words like “proletariat” when trying to appeal to the American working class who read at a 5th grade level.

Seriously. Like the guy in Severance said. Apologize for the word. It’s too long.

In a democratic state, things like universal healthcare are also called “socialized medicine” because it is an example of the people owning the means of production in that particular industry.

That’s why most countries are what we call “mixed economies”, that mix elements of capitalism and socialism.

Norway mixes in a higher ratio of socialism to capitalism than most countries. But they don’t export any more of capitalism’s issues to the third world than other countries. It’s something to emulate, not discredit.

Which is surprising because up here in Canada, the socialism started with the farmers. And it’s still going on with coop feed and grain silos and harvester sharing. Farmers don’t let other farmers starve, in Canada.

Oh yeah, this one time, I did heroin. Then I checked out some memes. Then I looked at a naked lady on the internet. All the same thing really.

Wow there are way fewer “so what it’s the same as your smartphone” and “everyone does it, google, apple, it’s no big deal” comments on Lemmy.