Moscow has announced an “anti-terrorist operation” as the mercenary group says it’s engaging in battles with the regular Russian military.
So Putin has been paying Nazis to fight Nazis and some of those Nazis are planing a coup against him.
The West has also been supporting Nazis to fight Nazis.
And now in America Nazis are coming out again and are doing Nazi things.
As someone who lives in Illinois “I hate Illinois Nazis.”
As someone who lives in Illinois “I hate Illinois Nazis.”
As someone who lives on the world, “I hate nazis.”
“Never mind…”
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Ummm… no. This is the exact kind of thing that will destroy any left-over confidence in the war-effort.
No, this is a disaster for Putin, even if they do manage to crush this coup attempt - I don’t see how Russia will be able to continue the war in Ukraine after this for very long.
No, that seems far-fetched as a goal. It COULD however in my opinion be a psyops to allow Putin a way out of the war though, the scripted slowly escalating conflict between Kremlin and Wagner has been going a bit too cleanly so far.
One thing I learned is that you shouldn’t believe anything any side says, especially before the thing happens
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I don‘t think this guy in charge of Russia or their army would be any good either, but I hope he could at least make some more Russians question the current course.
Well that aged like milk.
What happened?
I think @moosh@lemmy.world is referring to this headline:
Prig has turned around. His march didn’t last long.
the rebellion is already over.
isn’t wagner the group that spread gore videos on the internet, were they brutalized their victims
Pizza Hut in Arlington is going to be busy the next couple of days.
This is my first comment on the first post I opened up since finding and immigrating a few minutes ago.
Men who send other men to die for shits and giggles deserve to experience every death firsthand themselves, over and over again
I too believe that every westerner who voted to support their wars of aggression to be tortured to death.
Calm down there Caligula.
A lot of people here apparently upset at the idea of being held to the same standard as they have for others.
No. You’re just being hypocritical and extremist. They want the people responsible to face consequences. You want those who voted regardless of circumstances to be tortured to death. There’s a slight difference.
Now I’d definitely argue that westerners should be more exposed to the results of their leaders policies. Just like Russia’s citizens should. But why would you wish death on a group of people with many likely allies for yourself.
I’m not the one being hypocritical.
If only that were true.
tl;dr:
Vladimir Putin made an extraordinary address to the nation on Saturday morning admitting that he was facing an armed insurrection led by former confidante Yevgeny Prigozhin and his Wagner mercenaries. After months of feuding between the mercenary boss and Russia’s Defense Ministry, things came to a head Friday when Prigozhin accused the Russian military of ordering a rocket strike on a camp full of his men, and vowed merciless revenge. Within hours, the Prosecutor General’s Office announced charges against Prigozhin for attempting to incite an armed rebellion, a crime that carries a maximum penalty of 20 years behind bars. Prigozhin showed no sign of backing down, instead releasing a series of audio messages via his press service late Friday in which he accused the Defense Ministry of deploying fighter jets to shoot at Wagner vehicles in the Rostov region and of firing at civilians on Russian territory. While the drama between Moscow and Prigozhin played out, Ukrainian officials announced Friday their forces had retaken eight villages from Russian control as part of their first counteroffensive.
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Let’s release a bunch of people we imprisoned and then send them to……. a mercenary group? I’m sure they’ll be veeeery loyal.
If they’re able to pick up Russian soldiers as they go things could steam roll quickly. Otherwise it will at least be a massive distraction for Russia while Ukraine recovers territory.
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We all know how this is gonna end. Prigozhin marches his 25,000 troops into Moscow, faces stiff resistance and is either killed in combat or captured.
Putin then goes full Vlad the Impaler and parades his corpse skewered on a pike for all of Russia to see, as a stark reminder of what happens to rebels.
This is a substantial setback for the Russian war effort, but I really cannot see Prigozhin overthrowing Putin. Best thing he could have done was defect to the West instead of try to depose the figurehead.
He is pissing on a hornet’s nest.
After seeing how much of a coward Putin is I have a hard time seeing him be anything more than an opportunist who takes easy cheap shots. He is out if his league now.
After seeing how much of a coward Putin is I have a hard time seeing him be anything more than an opportunist who takes easy cheap shots. He is out if his league now.
A coward? Lol, idk about that.
It takes real balls to last as long as he has as a dictator. It also takes balls to piss off the entire UN while continuing to double down.
I don’t see this turning out well for him, but if he was really a coward none of this shit would have happened.
Nah, he’s just a dictator who finally bit off more than he could chew.
Yes and no. I think being a dictator like him goes hand in hand with being a coward. For example, repeatedly resorting to war crimes when a war isn’t going your way, pretending to show up in public when there is a chance of assasination (but I guess Putin has plenty of enemies so it makes sense 🤣), poisoning and killing anyone who doesn’t show 100% loyalty to you, jailing your opposition, and even jailing and using excessive force against protestors for simply appearing upset.
The situation with Prigozhin could even demostrate his cowardice (assuming it isn’t just a tactic to move wagner closer to Kviv) considering how bizarre it was. Either he caved to Prigozhin or it was fake.
At this point I am curious how this ends for him and Russia, but I am sure it won’t end well.
For example, repeatedly resorting to war crimes when a war isn’t going your way, pretending to show up in public when there is a chance of assasination (but I guess Putin has plenty of enemies so it makes sense 🤣),
You sure his reasoning for performing those war crimes is because the war wasn’t going his way? I could see him performing them regardless of the outcome - it aligns with his ruthless behavior.
I still wouldn’t it cowardly though.
pretending to show up in public when there is a chance of assasination (but I guess Putin has plenty of enemies so it makes sense 🤣),
Of course he does: he’s a ruthless dictator. What do you expect? The dynamic has always been the same for people like that; Stalin, Hitler and Sadam each dealt with the same problems.
poisoning and killing anyone who doesn’t show 100% loyalty to you
If you’re a dictator, a lack of 100% loyalty implies you’re dealing with someone who would try and kill you if given the chance.
In the dictator’s regime, this isn’t cowardice; it’s survival.
and even jailing and using excessive force against protestors for simply appearing upset.
Again, he’s a dictator and a fascist. There’s nothing out of the ordinary here for someone who chooses to play that role.
At this point I am curious how this ends for him and Russia, but I am sure it won’t end well.
Well, yeah. The entire world is against what he’s doing.
Putin is just a dictator. You can’t survive as a dictator without doing all of these things that you’re associating with cowardice.
But that’s the thing: we’re talking about someone who would laugh if he was called a coward. He doesn’t care what you think.
But if you want to pretend that you’re a part of a country that holds a moral high ground above Russia’s dealings, you have that right in a non dictatorship.
The US government has been involved in and supported some of the most haneous shit you can imagine.
Yes, Putin is a scumbag. If you’re going to criticize someone, though, you should do it in a way that actually makes sense.
Otherwise, you’re just a part of the media mob circlejerk.
Do people really believe this third rate propaganda?
