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200 off is incredible
Aint no way people pay 211$ for that adware, spyware piece of shit operating system. Thats wild.
Some time ago i checked some polish stores to compare W11 vs Linux / no OS prices and i found out that the difference isn’t flat and it’s actually about ~10% of product price (so the more expensive the notebook is - the higher the price of W11 is)
That’s absolutely fucked.
When https://massgrave.dev/ exists it’s even worse.
I think this tax on tech illiterate people is getting too high.
Should I start selling USB drives for $5? I don’t wanna encourage Windows. But I feel bad for the normies. $211 is insane.
MS literally allows massgrav on GitHub. They have for years. They do not give a fuck.
Paying for windows at this point is a normie tax. And it’s gotten too damn high!
It’s even more wild because a few years ago, buying the OS on its own was half that price.
It’s 60€ in my region.
The German store doesn’t offer Fedora, but also gives 60 Euro off if you order no OS. I tried X1 Gen 10 and 13.
Wait, I had to do a double take. I thought they were charging $200 extra for Fedora and Ubuntu. They could consider sending some money to those distros for development which would still be cheaper than buying windows.
I hope more OEMs start showing the price like this during configuration. People would probably think A LOT harder about using Windows if they were offered a $200 discount for trying something else…
“By Grabthar’s hammer… what a savings”
He fit so much disgust and defeat into the delivery of that line. Absolute perfection.
$211?!
Surely that can’t be US dollars, that’d be wild. The 24-hour clock also has me thinking this isn’t the US.
Looking at the UK site, I’d 100% go for “No Operating System”, then install Fedora Workstation anyway.
It is -$140 on the US store, the -$211 is probably Australian dollars.
It’s removing 211 dollars from the price
I know. It effectively means you pay $211 for Windows
Which is is such a high dollar count that this simply cannot be USD, a theory further corroborated by the time being 24-hour format, which is uncommon in the US.
I was simply curious to what type of dollar it is in the image. Australian, New Zealand, Canadian, something else?
Which is is such a high dollar count that this simply cannot be USD
So I haven’t used Windows on my own machines in about 20 years, but back when I built my own PCs that seemed about right. So I looked up the price history, didn’t realize that Microsoft reduced the license prices around Windows 8.
I remember 20 years ago, Windows XP Home was $199 and Professional was $299 for a new license on a new computer. Vista and 7 were similarly priced.
Since Windows 8, though, I just don’t understand their pricing or licensing terms.
24-hour time is equally uncommon in Australia and New Zealand, but it looks like it could be one of them based on the currency conversion, could also be Singapore though, which has Dollars very close in value to those
Windows 11 home costs more than $200???
I’m not that surprised. I believe it costs less on itself but there might be a surcharge for installation.
211 doll hair?
Looks like $140 US
For getting better support it might be worth it to pay the 25 £.
I guess it would also signal to Lenovo that Fedora laptops are welcomed
Oh nice, and down $200? Yes please
They’d have to discount at least twice that amount for me to get the Ubuntu install, though.
*use
Both, really.
And you save money? Oh man, the path of least resistance just changed.
I don’t know if it’s not scrolled enough but here we have another option which is “no os at all” and you save another 30€
Shit like this gives me hope for the future
It looks like (at least here in the U.S.) that this is the only model that allows selection of the OS. I looked at cheaper models of different product lines by them and they all include Windows 11.
I don’t understand why companies don’t offer more Linux options these days, there’s zero excuse
Instal Windows everywhere and get cheaper Windows.
Offer Linux and lose the offer from MS.
So, offering linux was bad for business. Was. Bevause thanks to work communities did in Linux and marketing from Steam…and Proton, Linux stopped beimg a thing you’ll easily lose clients over.
Because no one buys Linux PCs. Dell used to sell multiple lines of laptops with Linux, but pretty much no one was buying apart from a few freaks.
Awesome, I wish more computer manufacturers did this and actually gave you the ability to choose the OS to ship your PC with, especially with how much cheaper it is to not include Windows with activation. Wow.
Exactly. I currently have a notebook which is very well made. But it still sucks that I had to pay the windows license which is of no use : (
Is this a tariff thing? Like is it suddenly more expensive to license Windows, hence pushing OEMs to offer discount options?
Lenovo is at least partially Chinese.
No, Lenovo has offered Ubuntu and at times other distributions preinstalled, for many years. It’s only on a small number of models.
I don’t think they did it at a $200 discount before.
There is no discount, you are simply not paying for a windows license.
But before if you didn’t want Windows, I think Lenovo just pocketed the change.
And OEMs don’t pay anywhere reat retail for a Windows key.
This. $200 is what raised my eyebrows, Windows should not cost them that much when it’s usually “standard”
Wow. $211 is a steep discount. People are going to buy with Linux just to save money, some will try it (because it is there), and some may like it and stay.
At the very least, people may learn that Windows is no easier to install (or even harder).
Windows is no easier to install (or even harder).
I’ve installed both recent windows and common distros many times by hand (where unattended wasn’t trivial) and found everything except latest windows 11 quite similar (including arch) and very easy. Current windows 11 afaik needs registry hacks but I’ve not installed one yet.
you save 200$ by not having window$ in it?
Depends on the country the computer is being sold in. Microsoft has different pricing structures per country and the OEM selling the computer pays down the line based on sales numbers. That’s the main way MS Windows makes money. The price of Windows has always been part of the computer’s price. It’s a tiny minority of users who pay directly to MS for a windows license. Even businesses prefer the computer to come preinstalled with the OS.
No, you don’t get a cheaper computer if windows is cheaper in your country, final numbers are decided at the accounting level, not the point of sale. But, if they don’t have to pay MS anything, they can offer a cheaper laptop for you, the end user.
That’s still money saved, the less money to M$ the better
$200???
$200 less (you save money not buying windows)
Which makes the win11 pro license $297? That’s obscene.
Windows licenses ain’t cheap. Never have been.
you can get them for like 20$, probably even cheaper but i paid about 20 not 6 months ago for w11
The year of the Linux desktop is upon us?
I like this picture.
It’s the usual upscaling method, but in this case, there is a way to get the price down from the default…
I thought they’d done this for years (on certain Thinkpads anyway)? Still I’d rather install my own than trust Lenovo to install it for me.
Yes they have. They are a bit inconsistent on what’s available, sometimes no linux version at all. The x1 gen 13 doesn’t offer it last I checked.
Can’t wait to see how they manage to fill fedora with bloatware too
You’d still be able to just reinstall Linux, and save money in the process. And simply having the option available will probably help get Linux to some users that aren’t overly tech savvy
That’s a funny way of sayin’ that a Windows Home license costs $211.00.
