Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich reiterates call for ‘hundreds of thousands’ of Palestinians to be forcibly displaced from Gaza
Until some military rolls up on the border and demands at gunpoint that Israel stop starving, murdering and stealing from people they dont like, the Israelis will keep doing it. They want Syria, Lebanan, Jordan, and Egypt after they finish off the west bank and Gaza.
Sounds familiar. No wonder the Americans love Israel, they’re basically carbon copies of eachother. What America did to the Native Americans, the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. Push 'em out, keep pushing until they get violent, use the violence as an excuse to keep pushing, rinse and repeat until they’re all dead.
Not gonna lie. The analogy of native americans vs palestinians doesnt click for me. There were jews christians muslims living in relative peace before the plan of an israel was shoved down people throats in the region. This wasnt a new big island discovered by accident.
I would agree though that human life is equally important and displacing humans forcefully is always a terrible crime if this is what the analogy implies.
I’m referring more to the behaviour of the Israelis mirroring the behaviour of the colonists. Deliberately pushing out the natives, leading to the natives fighting back, leading to the colonists using overwhelming force in ‘self defence’, leading to more colonists pushing out the natives.
Take the settlements in the West Bank for example. The settlers show up, build their houses, kick out the local Palestinians and treat them like shit. The Palestinians retaliate, so the settlers call in the IDF to kill the Palestinians. The US colonists did the exact same thing, and even went to war with Britain (at least partially) because Britain demanded that they not push west of the Appalachians because it was (to the British), native territory. Granted Spain had also stolen a load of land to the west, effectively sandwiching the natives between two colonial powers, but Britain had just got out of the Seven Years War (instigated by the colonists) and wasn’t keen to get back into one.
I was thinking the other day, and this is a bit off topic but:
Can you imagine what the colonists and “America” would have done to the indigenous people if they had the same tools as the Nazis?
America, Hitler’s little poster child.
“We didn’t bomb these people out of their homes only to have them return.”
—Israel
Genocide will continue until morale improves.
So, the Nazi’s sent Jewish people to concentration camps, did horrible things to their children (especially twins), gassed their relatives, displaced them… But they are now doing the same thing to Palestinians? I really don’t have a side politically. I just don’t understand.
How can you see this genocide unfolding, ethnic cleansing at a minimum of you’re scared of using the G word, and still say “Well, I don’t really want to take a side here”
This kind of rhetoric enables these war crimes. You’ve outlined yourself what Israel is doing, and they’re going to continue because the western governments aren’t doing anything real about it.
The least we can do as individuals is call them out on their bullshit and remind others around us that the genocide they’re committing is entirely fucked up and unjustifiable.
did horrible things to their children (especially twins),
No they only did that to gypsies.
This is about colonialism not religion
I’m Jewish and I don’t get it either, every Jew I see falling for this fascist rhetoric horrifies and disgusts me
Focus in, this the action of a handful of powerful and violent people, not the act of a whole nation with a subjugated past.
The people enacting these atrocities are just as much monsters and the people who oppressed their ancestors.
But the nation isn’t stopping him. He’s been voted in how many times. It isn’t like the people have no blame.
I’ve seen plenty of anti-government protests from Israelis that do not approve
Sure, the decisions are made, the policies enacted, by those at the top — but there is no widespread repudiation of their actions by the citizenry at large, either.
Point taken. And, thank you for the reminder.
I really don’t have a side politically. I just don’t understand.
you should really have a side by now.
I refuse to take anyone’s side that murders innocent people. Children should NEVER be victims of political wars. When politicians that make these decisions put their own children in the line of fire, then tell me “I should really take a side”.
My guess is that they believe leaving the Hamas alive is equivalent to allowing their territory be attacked again in the future. They want this war to be The Last One™ so thay don’t have to further spend military resourses in the future doing the same thing again.
A yes, a final solution. Nazis love those, and most nazis were indeed zionists.
So, women and children, and hospitals, and first aid people are expendable. OK. This world is filled with evil, horrible people. And history will never be learned. Oh, and is Trump going to be turning the displaced area into a resort?
OMG they’re just as horrible as the rest of humanity. Who would have thought.
Rest of humanity? Which other country successfully carried out a genocide recently?
I think y’all are reading too much into a knee-jerk comment from Auli… The point is that Jewish people, also being people, are unfortunately capable of just as much hate and devastation as any others.
It wil not stop war at all, because Bibi needs wartome mandate to stay out of jail
why stop there?
I think Israel will not stop the war until its forced to do so.
Yeah, they’re still working on their final solution to this.
Rome conquered the world in a war of ‘self defense’.
They intend to expand a lot and be as globally independent as possible so they cant be punished for their crimes with trade sanctions.
Few countries have sanctions against Israel.
Most of Europe and India are on good terms.
Yeah but they seem to have very big goals. At some point the sanction situation will change.
i know they cut the quote short:
…our hostages are returned, some to their homes and some to the graves of Israel
i mean why do that
Fascists gonna fash.
Time to nuke Israel.
Just openly saying you want genocide. As you do.
Always have been.
yep. Its been the same war for the last ~80 years.
“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“It’s not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion.” –Ben Gurion
Partition: “after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine “ — Ben Gurion, p.22 “The Birth of Israel, 1987” Simha Flapan.
On the 6th of February 1948, during a Mapai Party Council, Ben-Gurion responded to a remark from a member of the audience that “we have no land there” [in the hills and mountains west of Jerusalem] by saying: “The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)
Where is the “I won’t support Genocide Joe” crowd now?
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Eating popcorn. Where are the dems who will fight for their constituents now? Looks like they just nearly unanimously passed a law that will let the administration take down any web content the want, not just revenge porn or deepfakes like they claimed.
So thats the end of free speech. Trump said outright he’d use it to censor his oponents. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/04/congress-passes-take-it-down-act-despite-major-flaws Did the dems just not have time for ammendments?
So was all this trumpery worth it all so the DNC could continue to take AIPAC money?
Or the Laken Riley act passed with dem support.
https://rollcall.com/2025/01/20/democrats-senate-laken-riley-act/ We’re deporting anyone now, with democratic party support. They are even trying to use it on citizens. Heck of a job, DNC.Or when the dems voted to advance trumps budget-- about the only card they had in their hand right now, and they just didnt use it. https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-democrats-voted-trump-gop-spending-bill-2045209
And now you want to what, fingerwag like you have a leg to stand on here? I mean come on man. Show me proof beyond Booker sitting on the steps in theatrical protest that the dems are working some angle thats not just secret support of anything the republicans want?
I guess at least Schumer, who says his whole job is to keep the dems supporting Israel, sent a “very strong letter” to trump. So we have that going for us. https://www.yahoo.com/news/pathetic-critics-cringe-leading-dem-191116497.html
Yay Schumer, way to go.
This is it. Why the fuck is the blame on the people who didn’t vote for a terrible candidate supporting a genocide and not the fucking people supporting the genocide?! Why did the dems all support that censorship bill, when they were initially speaking up about it? Why does it seem like the more exhausted he populace got with trump and his shit, he more democrats seemed to use that as an excuse to start supporting the republicans? Where is all the “stop trump” and “stop fascism” dems now? Why does it seem like they’re done grandstanding about standing up to trump and seem to have rolled over to keep their jobs or whatever it is? Why does this seem all okay, and why is the blame for all of that on people who couldn’t stomach supporting a candidate that was not standing up to a genocide and was parading around the fucking worst of the neocons? Why is it always on the people who didn’t sacrifice their values to once again stomach a candidate that goes against their basic human morals, and not on the politicians continually moving to the right? Why blame the people who see the rightward march of the Democratic Party as a death knell for the country, and not on the people who are fucking marching right as fast as the fascists continue to radicalize? Why the fuck can these assholes not see that we don’t give a shit that you think you’re morally superior to us because you “voted against fascism,” when the party you voted for seems to be actively ushering fascism in through the door?
Where is the fucking class solidarity? These people are selling you out, and you turn to your neighbor to say, “well, you should’ve just voted differently.” We are well beyond this being on us. This is on the people driving the ship, not the ones stuck in the cargo hold screaming that we’re fucking sinking.
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popcornthe shit sandwich they helped create. Fixed that for you.Good to see “helped” instead of assigned blame. I’ll take it.
I voted for Harris, and voted for Biden before that, and Clinton before that. With shame as I should. Harm reduction, methadone instead of heroin.
It’s nothing to brag about. You guys try to make them sound like a good choice, when neoliberals are for the same status quo, only minus the scapegoating. They’re just a lesser degree of bad. They’re for mass homelessness, they’re for entire murder for profit economic sectors including American “Healthcare,” they’re for ever worsening income inequity, because on economic policy (that informs and often dictates social Ills) they’re on the same take as Republicans. Just because they don’t cheer and pour the blood they’re drenched in over their heads in celebration like Gatorade, doesn’t mean their hands are any cleaner.
That scapegoating makes Republicans worth voting against, but you’re praising Jack the Ripper in the face of Adolf Hitler. No American should feel anything but shame about only having a extreme right wing party and a fascist party as our only two options. No one should have left an American polling place with a smile or pride for the last half century, it’s been a rocketship to avarice diseased oblivion, that Trumpism is just a newer symptom of, not the cause.
Reagan toppled this empire, it just takes an empire a while to hit the ground. We have arrived at a while. Trump is more of a vulture come to feast on the corpse.
Right here :)
I voted for Kamala tho
Surely thrilled that they were able to punish Democrats
I see — As long as the democrats suffer, it justifies the actual genocide that will take place on account of their decision.
It’s good to see the left punishing people who agree with them on 50% of things over people who agree with them on 0% of things. That is a recipe for success. Go team.
I consider it insult to say I agree with either of our 2 parties on 50% of the issues. Almost all of both of their policy positions are derivations on “how will this metastasize the capital markets faster” and not “how will this improve the wellbeing of the citizens of society, preferably at the expense/taxation of the capital markets that we kindly permit to profit off of society at all so long as they don’t undermine said society to increase their profits”
Both parties would be lighting themselves on fire to prevent the latter. The tail has been wagging the dog for a long time, the fucking profoundly perverse servitude of a society to an economy. It obviously needs to be the other way around or… Well this.
I think the hope is that Democrats will see Israel as being in league with Trump and stop supporting them. Of course given how costly losing this election was, such a strategy would be a Pyrrhic victory even if it were successful. Which is doubtful, given that I view the Democrats as “controlled opposition”.
Probably discussing the latest news about how Biden never pressured Israel for ceasefire
It was just another lie to give political cover as he aided and abetted an ongoing genocide.
Well, at least Joe is out of power, now. Phew! Crisis averted.
No, Gaza is still being bombed. Children are being intentionally starved. It’s still a crisis.
So you’re saying the current president is supporting Genocide? It’s weird, I don’t hear anyone on the left yelling about it. It’s almost like they don’t actually care.
We are yelling about it, you aren’t listening because you don’t actually care and are trying to use this as a “gotcha”
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tf? you are the one using this to aire a political grievance.
Yes, the current president is supporting genocide.
You don’t hear anyone on the left yelling about it? Maybe you should pay attention, protest movements are ongoing. Protest tactics and media coverage may change in the Trump era, but the anti-genocide movement is still strong in my opinion.
If you want to make some sort of political point then you should come out and say it. Hiding behind sarcasm is off putting when discussing a serious subject like genocide. Its almost like you don’t actually care.
If you can’t stand up against actively supporting an open genocide, you aren’t going to stand up for democracy.
America has been cooked. And yes, Biden is/was complacent
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Kamala whose husband is a promiment zionist, campaign manager was a zionist, and who could never formulate and articulate a single policy position on her own in any of her campaign runs? That Kamala? You’re just huffing hopium. Yes, and maybe aliens would land and help us out too. I mean come on.
While we are proposing far fetched nonsense possibilities that go against what the candidates said they’d do: Did you consider that Trumps well documented anti semitism would give an even better result than Kamala?
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the rest of us have to live with the consequences of your actions.
What makes you worthy of consideration that you wont give to other innocents being starved and blown up with our own tax-purchased bombs? Are you supposed to be special to me because you live closer or have whiter skin or something? Well you’re not.
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This is some copium. Genocide apologizing copium. Not exactly something I’d want to be carrying around. Do better
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Not supporting Genocide Donald.
You say this like Biden was bringing an end to the Genocide.
Trump partaking in Genocide doesn’t mean Biden didn’t. It was just publicly revealed that Biden never demanded a ceasefire (as if we didn’t know that already), Biden sent weapons to Israel to use in their genocidal campaign, Biden sent warships to ward off and defend against any attacks against Israel for their genocidal campaign. Trump doing the same doesn’t mean Biden didn’t do those things.
You so smugly using Trump’s continuation of the genocide as a form of “gotcha” (again, as if we didn’t know he would do that) is truly just absolutely morally gross and despicabe.
You deserve Trump.
The Israelis are the one’s actually murdering people
Nobody said otherwise.
The U.S. gov is making sure that no one intervenes and stops them. They are a very direct accomplice.
Without U.S. cover, Israel would get their shit pushed in.
With weapons from multiple other countries who keep resupplying them or giving other political cover to prevent consequences to Israel committing genocide and other preemptive attacks
There they are!
You say I deserve Trump… like I’m the one suffering here. Question: do you honestly think Joe Biden would have permitted the removal of all Palestinians from Gaza? Would that even be a conversation right now? How about turning Gaza into a real estate opportunity for the sitting president?
I’m not the one suffering the brunt of consequences for your decision to elect Trump over Biden, it’s the Palestinian people who are. All of you made a choice based on principles that you don’t have the political power to support, and the result is one that is far worse for the actual people affected. That makes the choice morally inferior. And, it’s a shame to see what is happening to the people impacted by it.
Question: do you honestly think Joe Biden would have permitted the removal of all Palestinians from Gaza?
We dont have to wonder. Biden proposed moving the Palestinians to Egypt, at Netenyahus suggestion. Egypt rejected the idea and warned it would shut down relations with Israel if they tried, and then Israel backtracked saying they would never have allowed it anyway because it might permit “terrorists” to return and attack someday.
https://reason.com/2025/01/27/trump-revives-bidens-failed-proposal-to-remove-palestinians-from-gaza/
“You say I deserve Trump… like I’m the one suffering here.”
If you’re American and not ultra-wealthy you are/will be, just like I will.
“Question: do you honestly think Joe Biden would have permitted the removal of all Palestinians from Gaza?”
Yes. Just as he was perfectly fine with them bombing everything from hospitals to schools usimg the weapons he continues to send and using genocidal rhetoric. You would have to be insane to think otherwise.
“Would that even be a conversation right now?”
No. It would just be another day of Joe Biden and the Democrats enabling the genocide while “liberals” sit by and let it happen and calling anyone who opposed it a crazy radical. Just like it was during the year long genocidal campaign he DID engage in.
“I’m not the one suffering the brunt of consequences for your the decision to elect Trump over Biden, it’s the Palestinian people who are.”
This is the same blatant denialism of Genocide because Joe Biden was the one doing it I just critiqued.
They all realize they were part of a targeted disinformation campaign and regret their life choices.
Tbf though, Kamala could have gotten 4% of inactive voters in 3 key states she could have won. Instead those voters stayed home and now we’ve got front row seats to the end of an empire
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It’s not disinformation that Joe Biden enabled and aided the Genocide of Palestinians. Trump doing the same doesn’t rewrite history.
Kamala could have gotten all those voters if she just took a stand against genocide.
I think the thinking was that turning against Israel more publicly would have mostly garnered more entirely worthless votes in states that are already blue and risked losing at risk rust belt states.
If those voters would have been a bit smarter they could have threatened to stay home but actually voted against fascism then continued to petition the incoming regime which unlike Trump isn’t actually for genocide. Now there is a good chance for most of those folks you want to save being dead when its possible to reverse course IF its possible to reverse course and we don’t have a canceled election and a civil war thereafter.
And they lost with that strategy. So their thinking was clearly wrong, unless they planned to lose.
It’s not clear the alternative strategy would have helped AT ALL. A very large portion of Americans actually believed that Trump would either help the economy or help the position of white folks and Christians. Everything else was a side show. That is why they elected him. Things were going pretty good economically before the pandemic and white Christians. That is why we elected essentially Hitler because we are stupid bigots.
Its absolutely clear. If Harris had acknowledging the genocide about 2 weeks before the election would have won over youth, the left, and muslims, which is a vastly larger voting group than the 80% of jewish people who support israel-- or even all jewish voters. Jewish voters are a tiny group-- even just muslim voters are a larger group. Jewish voters arent a compelling voter group, they are a compelling funding group.
But two weeks before the election Harris could have weathered the funding downturn. Her husband would have left her, but no great loss there. Harris could have won.
I think the thinking was that turning against Israel more publicly would have mostly garnered more entirely worthless votes in states that are already blue and risked losing at risk rust belt states
That’s just not true though. It would have helped across the board but especially in critical swing states
Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win
Kamala Would Have Won With A Weapons Embargo
The blame is entirely on the campaign for chosing to ignore and even go against those voters instead of make concessions to gain as much votes as possible. They chose to prioritize continuing the genocide over winning against Trump.
Polls have been close not only wildly inaccurate but so incredibly spread out that you could find a few to support literally anyone position after the fact.
That’s why it’s important to consider how the questions are framed, not disregard polling. And no, the polling methodology used is not wildly inaccurate, what a baseless claim to try to disregard the actual articles.
Progressive policies that a majority of Americans support
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How Trump and Harris Voters See America’s Role in the World
Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college
Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones
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It is very very hard to predict who is going to win even when elections that aren’t all that close. Asking people how they would behave especially people who didn’t even bother to vote is fraught. People who aren’t happy about something are apt to say they would do something about it but they showed more about how motivated they are by not even bothering to show up in actual reality. I think anyone who tells you if you did this they would have voted for you is quite frankly full of shit.
White people voted for Trump because they believed they would be privileged. Men voted for him because they believed they would be privileged. Conservatives voted for him because he would appoint conservative judges Financially ignorant people voted for him because he would cut their taxes and encourage business. Republican’s voted for him because him being a Republican was far more important than any other factor. Most people who call themselves independent flatter themselves by saying so and in fact vote Red or Blue 95-99% of the time. Those who lean red were never going to vote for a non-white women running under the blue ticket.
None of these factors had anything to do with Israel or Gaza. People in America are selfish and self centered they were never going to vote differently based on Gaza.
They were actually for genocide. That’s why they partook in an ongoing genocide for over a year. Your entire premise is wrong.
in the grand scheme of voting issues, foreign policy isnt on voters top priority(maybe for michiganers, and whitmers wierdly hanging out with trump awful lot lately), is domestic issues unfortunately. every president had support israel and never once was it the forefront as election issue, until trump wanted to be in power again the MSM started to post pro-israeli propaganda through the airwaves, plus russia early on was fueling the “i am not voting dems for the first ime over this” protests.
not being pushed by russian and israeli propaganda through SOCIAL media perhaps.
Do you think they have the self awareness to even reply to a thread like this?
I hope your terrorist leaders harris, biden and trump all die lioe fucking pigs.
You mean Schrodinger’s Leftists?
Here we go with the finger-wagging, you’ll never learn do you
Gone.
Their man, Trump, got elected, so they don’t need to exist anymore.
Lebensraum
“Greater Israel” is not just about murdering palestinians, but more generally stealing all of the middle east.
https://mepei.com/greater-israel-an-ongoing-expansion-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-north-africa/
What’s their beef with Syria still?
Syria is next.
Well, see, Syria has land they want and people they don’t.
Their beef is that Syria is actually Israel, just like Palestine, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc.
Thanks, I appreciate the sources.
They don’t own it yet
Man, you can hate Musk for many reasons but when he says that the Universe chooses the most ironic outcomes he is right.
What a terrible reply to get blocked over
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