• Mateoto@lemmy.world
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    Absolutely, targeting activism towards the lifestyles of the rich is a crucial step in addressing the issue of higher CO2 emissions and climate change. It’s not about vilifying individuals, but rather recognizing that certain lifestyles contribute significantly to environmental harm.

    Focusing solely on the lower and middle class isn’t the solution, as they are the ones who often bear the brunt of climate change impacts and economic adjustments. What might be considered “luxury” for them is often just basic necessities, and their livelihoods are directly affected by climate-related changes.

    On the other hand, the elite and super elites can afford to make substantial changes to their lifestyles without sacrificing their basic needs. Cutting back on private flights, yachts, and excessive consumption won’t significantly impact their quality of life. Their choices to reduce their environmental footprint can send a powerful message and create a domino effect, encouraging positive change on a larger scale.

    This doesn’t mean demonizing anyone; it’s about promoting awareness and responsibility. We need systemic changes, and these should start from the top down. By targeting the source of excessive consumption and promoting sustainable choices among the rich, we can create a more equitable and sustainable future for everyone.

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    Golf? I need to do some research. I’d be lining up more useless garbage like cruise ships, coal energy, gas powered mowers, and all of the ‘recyclable’ garbage that isn’t. Also styrofoam. Fuck styrofoam.

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      The gripe with golf usually lies within the incredibly high amounts of water needed to keep the courses green.

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      Golf can use a terrible amount of water, plus keeping it mowed, and cutting forests for it. Places like Canada or the UK might be fine if it’s not a drought year. But there’s golf courses as far as Mexico. There’s places in Mexico that is so dry outside of the summer months that golf courses would use a disgusting amount of water to keep the greens… green… there was a golf course in Mexico I went to that only bothered with the putting area and a bit around that. Everything else was dirt. It wasn’t that pleasant of an experience because you do kick up dust when teeing off and whatnot. However, no way to lose your ball I suppose. Still, the water they needed just for the putting area must have been disgusting.

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        we need to change golf so it respects the land the course is built on, and doesn’t try to make everything look like scotland. keep the green as-is but make the fairway something that doesn’t use water, fits the local landscape (maybe have different solutions for different environments) and is just as playable as fairway grass. leave the out of bounds areas untouched. I think golf could serve to gain from forming itself to the terrain it’s played on, rather than the other way around

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          Scotland doesn’t and shouldn’t look anything like a golf course, hell the entire image of Scotland thats sold to the outside worlds is basically entierly artifically sculpted and maintained landscapes that continue to choke out our native species.

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          The vast majority of courses are this way. The PGA level courses and private clubs are the main problems. For example in Florida many courses are part of treating waste water and act as a flood control for the surrounding condos.

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            And let’s face it, that, plus knowing you are better then everyone else is the whole reason to play!

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          I though it would be a neat twist to have sand dune golf courses with much smaller playing areas since you won’t hit the ball as far, and you can irrigate small patches of grass that you don’t mow and it gets 6-8" tall as a grass trap instead of a water/sand trap.

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          Most courses did this decades ago because it is cheaper than not doing it in the long run. Complete water reclamation and use of exclusively native flora is the rule these days, not the exception. There are outliers sure, but this is a case of people attacking what they don’t understand rather than looking at their own behavior. You know, classic outrage as a virtue mindset.

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            nice. I figure that with all the grass that has to be mowed to specifications there had to be a better solution

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      plugged holes in golf courses

      I mean… that’s kind of pointless, many courses change hole locations daily anyway.

      What the Letzte Generation did on Sylt was way more sensible: Replace hole flags with signs saying “natural reserve” and then plant native trees and flowers everywhere.

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      seems like we’re finally getting to the point where we stop blaming the common people for climate change.

      I mean the “common people” are to blame. The 1% doesn’t live in a vacuum.

      Do billionaires carry a significantly larger portion of that blame? Yes. But we’re all on this gaseous rock together. Them being at fault doesn’t mean you can’t do your part. They couldn’t do what they do if the people weren’t buying the shit they’re selling.

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      Also, this seems like a much, MUCH better PR move than throwing paint at masterpieces in fucking museums.
      I don’t know who thought that was something that would have moved the public opinion towards their cause.

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        Well it did seem to do a good job bringing attention to their cause. And, the worst damage incurred over the dozens of demonstrations was some minor frame damage. Imo it was kind of a brilliant scheme to get worldwide attention for the price of some tomato soup

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    I remember being in LA during the Rodney King Riots in 1992. White people (especially privileged leftists) were all clutching their pearls, wondering why black folks were attacking their innocent Korean merchant neighbors and dragging random white people out of their cars and beating them, instead of going to rich people’s neighborhoods and attacking them, or attacking the systems of oppression. Clearly these white folks did not understand how oppression works.

    When you’re the victim of random violence, and have reached your breaking point, and don’t know what else to do, you respond with random violence, against whatever and whomever is nearby.

    Black folks in Compton had no way to get to the racist white power structure. It was insulated from their rage.

    Can XR act against Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk? The board of Exxon? No way, they’re not accessible. So they attack whatever they can reach. The world is burning and they’re pissed off. Their targets may or may not make sense strategically. They aren’t trying to influence people or win friends. They’re just infuriated. Know the difference, try to understand with empathy.

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      Sorry, but in my book, nothing, absolutely nothing, justifies random violence. Your justification of it sickens me and I’m surprised that you got so upvoted. I’ve been on the breaking point from things that were happening inside my own home as a kid, but I never took it on my little brother, or other kids. Instead, I was taking it against the actual aggressor (my father), even if it resulted in more beatings and hairline broken jaws, and put the knife, or the gun on my head. So, yes, I’ve been through some shit myself. But I protected my brother and my mother as much as I could. Doing random violence, as you described it, against people who might have their own cross to bear is not justified. EVER.

      And yes. They CAN act against Bezos, Musk, and the board of Exxon. They can easily find where these people are, paparazzis certainly can. Every second day we have pictures of Bezos with his darling gf. Get organized so the locals can take it against him when he visits somewhere. But you don’t act against your fellow citizen who is also a victim of oppression and climate change, or destroy classic works of art. What kind of BS is that??

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    There’s an enormous gap between private jets & yachts, and golf. Most cities have municipal golf courses that are affordable and they even rent out clubs. Golf is a relaxing sport that preserves green spaces that would otherwise be parking lots. I’ve seen a lot of hate against golf on this site already though, so I guess it’s fashionable to hate it now.

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      It wouldn’t necessarily be a parking lot though would it? That’s just convenient for your argument. The truth is it would be extra easy and cheap to turn golf courses into public parks, with local trees and flowers instead of water guzzling grass. That would improve weather events, wildlife and human lives’ quality in the area.

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      When I was in Africa they wanted to tear down a huge forest to build a golf course so tourists would come

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      Golf in the desert is a ridiculous luxury, even if it’s city-owned. They tell us not to flush our toilets, but dump gallons per hour into those short little greens.

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      “The yachts are just a small issue, focuse on the bigger issues first!” Said the yacht owner.

      “There are so little private jets, you should focuse on bigger issues first!” Said the jet owner.

      There’s an enormous gap between private jets & yachts, and golf. Most cities have municipal golf courses that are affordable and they even rent out clubs. Golf is a relaxing sport that preserves green spaces that would otherwise be parking lots. I’ve seen a lot of hate against golf on this site already though, so I guess it’s fashionable to hate it now.

      Said the golf player.

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      “Green spaces” A golf course is basically a giant lawn. That space would be better as a park with actual trees and shit for everyone else that doesn’t give a shit about golf.