Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.

This is murder.

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    armed men walk up to innocent woman with guns drawn and scream at her to get out of her car

    she gets scared and tries to drive away

    oH sHE waS a DAnGer tO tHe PubLiC, SerVEs the BItch riGhT!!

    You’re joking, right? Right?

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      Nobody called her a bitch, first off. Second off, I agree that it’s stupid that as a citizen, we’re expected to keep calm and act rationally in these kinds of situations. It sucks but it is what it is. My wife got arrested for “DUI” but she and I don’t drink or do drugs – she didn’t try and run away, she complied with the officer, got taken to jail, bailed out, and we solved it in front of a jury of her peers. That’s how this shit works.

      Additionally, nobody knows if this woman was innocent or not. Claiming that she IS, or ISN’T is bullshit either way.

      If she IS, we should be discussing why our people feel the need to steal in order to survive.
      If she ISN’T, we should be discussing how to keep people calmer during these types of police interactions.

      The facts here are though, that she evaded police with a vehicle that was a potential harm to others, and the police stopped it.

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        Good to know that if the police murdered your wife for not exactly following their orders you would still be defending them since I assume you are not a total hypocrite.

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          My best friend was shot and killed for trying to break into a neighbors lawn trailer. Initially I was mad at the guy (what person wouldn’t be?) - but over time, I realized that he had made those decisions on his own, and he suffered the consequences of them.

          If my wife had done the same thing and gotten herself killed - I’d do the same thing probably. Probably be mad at police initially, then mad at her for choosing to do something so stupid. But in the end, I wouldn’t blame the police unless they did something unreasonable. My wife was having a medical episode at the time, and genuinely probably needed to be taken to the hospital instead of being arrested, but the fact of the matter is she was swerving in and out of traffic so their pulling her over ultimately was a good thing. She could have gotten my son that was riding with her killed.

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              His name is Brett Lee Canada, you’re welcome to look it up. It happened in Lake County, FL. I don’t know what they do with police records of people who are deceased, but that information is there if you want to confirm my honesty.

              Nevermind, I did the work for you: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2010/01/03/shooting-death-prompts-lawsuit-3/

              The lawsuit went forward and the gentleman was found to have been within his rights to have shot Brett.

              The other incident occurred about 3:30 a.m. Nov. 19 on Spring Hill Avenue in Sorrento, where Brett Lee Canada, 23, was shot and killed by homeowner Shane Biel, who recently had installed an alarm system to deter thefts.

              Biel, 41, who previously reported thefts of commercial lawn equipment from his property, confronted a man inside a fenced area who was wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and gloves. Biel told deputies he fired when the man moved aggressively at him.

              Canada, a convicted burglar, had served about two years in prison for property crimes.

              So now you can apologize.

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        Nobody called her a bitch, first off.

        No, maybe not, but I’m not sure “she fucked around and found out” is any better of a way to refer to a woman that was just murdered.

        Second off, I agree that it’s stupid that as a citizen, we’re expected to keep calm and act rationally in these kinds of situations.

        So then why was the woman at fault for getting scared and trying to flee? “She fucked around and found out”, huh?

        If she ISN’T, we should be discussing how to keep people calmer during these types of police interactions.

        No, regardless of if she were guilty of the extremely heinous and dangerous crime of shoplifting (the horror!), what we SHOULD be discussing is why the cop felt the need to draw his gun and point it at the woman for such a small crime (of which he had zero evidence I might add) that could have been handled a million other ways. Drawing a gun on somebody is a direct threat on their life. You may as well yell “obey or die”. Under no circumstances should a gun be used so freely. She had every single right to be scared out of her mind and try to escape at that moment.

        Even if we go with your opinion of her being a threat to the public, the officers are directly responsible for that and never should have let it get to that point in the first place over a god-damned shoplifting accusation. I mean fucking hell, the victim does not actually start driving forward until the cop is pointing his gun at her and screaming at her to get out of the car. Stop blaming her for the extremely excessive threat (and execution) of a police officer.