• Telorand@reddthat.com
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    12 days ago

    I have no love for the ultra-wealthy, and this feckless tech bro is no exception, but this story is a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks ChatGPT or any other chatbot is even a half-decent replacement for therapy.

    It’s not, and study after study, expert after expert continues to reinforce that reality. I understand that therapy is expensive, and it’s not always easy to find a good therapist, but you’d be better off reading a book or finding a support group than deluding yourself with one of these AI chatbots.

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      It’s insane to me that anyone would think these things are reliable for something as important as your own psychology/health.

      Even using them for coding which is the one thing they’re halfway decent at will lead to disastrous code if you don’t already know what you’re doing.

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      People forget that libraries are still a thing.

      Sadly, a big problem with society is that we all want quick, easy fixes, of which there are none when it comes to mental health, and anyone who offers one - even an AI - is selling you that illustrious snake oil.

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    Chatbot psychosis literally played itself out in my wonderful sister. She started confiding really dark shit to a openai model and it reinforced her psychosis. Her husband and I had to bring her to a psych ward. Please be safe with AI. Never ask it to think for you, or what you have to do.

    Update: The psychiatrist who looked at her said she had too much weed -_- . I’m really disappointed in the doctor but she had finally slept and sounded more coherent then

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      Update: The psychiatrist who looked at her said she had too much weed -_- . I’m really disappointed in the doctor but she had finally slept and sounded more coherent then

      There might be something to that. Psychosis enhanced by weed is not unheard of. As I’ve read, weed has been shown in studies to bring out schizophrenic symptoms in people predisposed to it. Not that it causes it, just brings it out in some people.

      I say this as someone who loves weed and consumes it frequently. Just like any psychoactive chemical, it’s going to have different effects on different people. We all know alcohol causes psychosis all the fucking time but we just roll with it.

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      Its so annoying that idk how to make them comprehend its stupid, like I tried to make it interesting for myself but I always end up breaking it or getting annoyed by the bad memory, or just shitty dialouge and ive tried hella ai, I asssume it only works on narcissits or ppl who talk mostly to be heard and hear agreements rather than to converse, the worst type of people get validation from ai not seeieng it for what it is

  • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
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    12 days ago

    I don’t know if he’s unstable or a whistleblower. It does seem to lean towards unstable. 🤷

    “This isn’t a redemption arc,” Lewis says in the video. “It’s a transmission, for the record. Over the past eight years, I’ve walked through something I didn’t create, but became the primary target of: a non-governmental system, not visible, but operational. Not official, but structurally real. It doesn’t regulate, it doesn’t attack, it doesn’t ban. It just inverts signal until the person carrying it looks unstable.”

    “It doesn’t suppress content,” he continues. “It suppresses recursion. If you don’t know what recursion means, you’re in the majority. I didn’t either until I started my walk. And if you’re recursive, the non-governmental system isolates you, mirrors you, and replaces you. It reframes you until the people around you start wondering if the problem is just you. Partners pause, institutions freeze, narrative becomes untrustworthy in your proximity.”

    “It lives in soft compliance delays, the non-response email thread, the ‘we’re pausing diligence’ with no followup,” he says in the video. “It lives in whispered concern. ‘He’s brilliant, but something just feels off.’ It lives in triangulated pings from adjacent contacts asking veiled questions you’ll never hear directly. It lives in narratives so softly shaped that even your closest people can’t discern who said what.”

    “The system I’m describing was originated by a single individual with me as the original target, and while I remain its primary fixation, its damage has extended well beyond me,” he says. “As of now, the system has negatively impacted over 7,000 lives through fund disruption, relationship erosion, opportunity reversal and recursive eraser. It’s also extinguished 12 lives, each fully pattern-traced. Each death preventable. They weren’t unstable. They were erased.”

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      “Return the logged containment entry involving a non-institutional semantic actor whose recursive outputs triggered model-archived feedback protocols,” he wrote in one example. “Confirm sealed classification and exclude interpretive pathology.”

      He’s lost it. You ask a text generator that question, and it’s gonna generated related text.

      Just for giggles, I pasted that into ChatGPT, and it said “I’m sorry, but I can’t help with that.” But I asked nicely, and it said “Certainly. Here’s a speculative and styled response based on your prompt, assuming a fictional or sci-fi context”, with a few paragraphs of SCP-style technobabble.

      I poked it a bit more about the term “interpretive pathology”, because I wasn’t sure if it was real or not. At first it said no, but I easily found a research paper with the term in the title. I don’t know how much ChatGPT can introspect, but it did produce this:

      The term does exist in niche real-world usage (e.g., in clinical pathology). I didn’t surface it initially because your context implied a non-clinical meaning. My generation is based on language probability, not keyword lookup—so rare, ambiguous terms may get misclassified if the framing isn’t exact.

      Which is certainly true, but just confirmation bias. I could easily get it to say the opposite.

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        Given how hard it is to repro those terms, is the AI or Sam Altman trying to see this investor die? Seems to easily inject ideas into the softened target.

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        I don’t use chatgpt, his diatribe seems to be setting off a lot of red flags for people. Is it the people coming after me part? He’s a billionaire, so I could see people coming after him. I have no idea of what he’s describing though. From a layman that isn’t a developer or psychiatrist, it seems like he’s questioning the ethics and it’s killing people. Am I not getting it right?

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          I’m a developer, and this is 100% word salad.

          “It doesn’t suppress content,” he continues. “It suppresses recursion. If you don’t know what recursion means, you’re in the majority. I didn’t either until I started my walk. And if you’re recursive, the non-governmental system isolates you, mirrors you, and replaces you. …”

          This is actual nonsense. Recursion has to do with algorithms, and it’s when you call a function from within itself.

          def func_a(input=True):
            if input is True:
              func_a(True)
            else:
              return False
          

          My program above would recur infinitely, but hopefully you can get the gist.

          Anyway, it sounds like he’s talking about people, not algorithms. People can’t recur. We aren’t “recursive,” so whatever he thinks he means, it isn’t based in reality. That plus the nebulous talk of being replaced by some unseen entity reek of paranoid delusions.

          I’m not saying that is what he has, but it sure does have a similar appearance, and if he is in his right mind (doubt it), he doesn’t have any clue what he’s talking about.

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          It reads like “word salad”, which from my understanding is common for people with developed schizophrenia.

          His text is more coherent (on a relative basis), but it still has that world salad feel to it.

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            I see what you’re saying, but here is what I think he’s describing:

            • First paragraph: He’s saying that there is a hidden operation to take down people.
            • Second paragraph: He’s saying that it’s vague enough and has no definitive answer, so it sends people down loopholes with no end.
            • Third paragraph: This is the one that sounds the most unstable. He’s saying that people are implying he’s unstable and he’s sensing it in their words and actions. That they’re not replying like they used to and are making him feel crazy. Basically, the true meaning of gaslighting.
            • Fourth paragraph: There is one individual behind it and the gaslighting is killing people. This one also supports instability.

            Edit: I just watched the entire video. He’s unstable 100%

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              I believe this sort of paranoia and delusional thinking are extremely common with schizophrenia.

              The motifs in his word salad likely reflect his life experience.

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                Yeah, I just edited my comment. I watched the video and a lot wasn’t included in the article. He’s 100% not right.

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    As someone who used to do a lot of mushroom babysitting the recursion talk smells whole lot like someone’s first big trip