Those are the type of crimes I would give a death penalty exception for.
These are the types of crimes where I don’t think a quick execution is fair
I was thinking of letting the victim’s close ones do what they want to the demons for one day, but I’m not sure what that would do with their psyche afterwards.
E: The psyche of those doing the retribution.I do beleive in restorative justice but I do wonder ocassioanlly if we haven’t gone too far into the concept that vengeance has zero place in justice
Maybe not, but it is a humane thing to do, and it removes the problem.
I wouldn’t. It’s far more punishing and even that is far too little to throw them in a cell and lose the key. Let them sit there for endless years until they die. Done.
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I prefer a 3m steel cube, welded shut, with a poop hole, a human-sized gerbil spout for water, and a hole for gruel to be pumped in twice a day. No clothes, bedding, or even a bowl for the gruel.
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You might be surprised (maybe not) to learn inmates like this (at least in the US) are beaten and raped by their inmates constantly and usually have to try and PC up to get away from it. Some nasty people are in prison, and they don’t seem to like pedophiles and child rapists at all.
Oh no. If you’re going to make them suffer, make sure you go all out.
Not for nothing, but in the US, the pedophiles that end up in the prison system are very likely to experience hell on earth as the other inmates will certainly not be a fan of theirs. It’s like some criminal pecking order. I have no idea if that’s a thing outside the US, but maybe…
Even murderers have families and kids, and then there’s the whole non violent offender population.
This is almost certainly a myth. Prisons are full of rapists and pedophiles, nobody cares. The only actual code of ethics criminal organisations have is no snitching or defrauding because it hurts them, that’s all they care about.
If a claim is made that anecdotal evidence is incorrect then presenting anecdotal evidence does not refute that claim. Even worse your sources basically say that it’s not really a big deal, because it isn’t. Criminals really don’t care what you have done so long as you don’t hurt them.
Yes, and you have presented a giant pile of conjecture, followed it up with a bunch of judgment, and then made a major effort to let us know how much insight you have, without actually providing any insight. Way to go, Jasory!
Even a bit of personal experience goes further than a pile of conjecture spewed from an internet “know it all.”
On what basis do you determine that my claims are not sourced? You have no information that my claims are less credible than those of the interview subjects. They are both unsupported and anecdotal at the worst; however you can actually find information on prison socialisation in academic papers and they largely support my claims. Swindlers are treated worse than sex offenders because this idea of moral code among criminals doesn’t really exist, they only care if you harm them directly.
“Made a major effort to know how much insight you have”
Where? Do you even understand what this sentence you wrote even means? Until this reply, I never claimed having a source of insight or argued for why my statement is correct. I merely made a statement that the common notion of “honor among thieves” doesn’t really exist, and personal stories aren’t sufficient to prove that it does. I do have personal experience with this, so technically my claims have just as much basis as the random people interviewed. However this is irrelevant because there are better sources than personal stories.
Additionally if you think that anything in this discussion is a “major effort”, you have abysmally low standards. Writing one or two paragraphs is highly trivial.
You made a profound statement, almost of fact. “This is almost certainly a myth”. This is your argument statement, it’s your conjecture and your major effort to show the audience your insight.
Stop back peddling.
You presented no sources of any kind, and then you started turning things into a research paper where I needed to submit my work in MLA format for the professor. I gave you people’s experiences; you replied with a mouth full of shit (conjecture) with no basis of any kind other than your claimed philosophical knowledge.
No, sir, you seem to have a very, very high opinion of your intelligence. You are also very insecure with this opinion. Just one glance at your social history shows how hard you try to let everyone know how much higher your intellect is than theirs. It’s problematic when you spout unfounded conjecture as fact; it’s worse when you believe the bullshit coming out of your shit box.
I don’t give two fucks how many papers on thieves you have written, or what your criteria are for the conversation because the first two sentences out of your mouth are pure elitist garbage. Go back to your hole of correcting the internet Jasory, I have no time for your bullshit.
I love how this community is extremely against death penalty to the point of brigading posts here, but as soon as the skin pigmentation goes even slightly darker than tan, those people are nowhere to be seen.
No its just a fucking horrible crime. I still dont agree a death sentence should exist.
For the sake of my sanity, I’m not going to read that article. The headline is bad enough. Utterly beyond comprehension.
Yeah, I’m not against this article being written, but I want a filter so I don’t have the mental image I now have.
I want a reality filter that will stop this shit from actually happening.
Agreed.
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reads headline
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Thinks “India?”
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It’s India…
It’s always India…
Its sad 😔
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Ever heard of reporting bias?
Yes.
I also understand that if you here specific shit always coming from a specific place that it’s a smoke and fire situation.
Add to that all too many personal experiences where my wife and I had issues with Indians (from India) and yeah, it has led me to believe that something is seriously wrong with their culture. It has nothing to do with race or racism, they have a beautiful culture, but a number of parts of their culture are seriously fucked up and must be changed
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What a terrible day to be able to read.
I’m earnestly asking any Indian folks why I’ve seen too many articles like this coming out of India. Why is it so unsafe for women in that country? Sexism? Regressive beliefs around sex?
Whatever country you are from, think about the most backwards/rural/remote location that has people with backwards and regressive views.
Consider that India likely has 5 to 10x the population of rural folks in small villages that have midevil views compared to your country.
Add in long standing cultural misogynist views that is so pervasive it fully permeates all aspects of government and life and you quickly get to a point where abuse and domestic violence is tolerated.
As per usual, it’s not like the entire country shares these views. It’s just the the number of backwards views in India is numerically huge because of its population.
That’s really more like high evil in my opinion.
Florida and Texas.
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Florida and Texas
The south
Widespread gun ownership, please. Gun ownership, not knife ownership.
Honestly, I don’t know. But then again I never felt like I belong here for as long as I can remember.
Places like Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan are so regressive that other Indians collectively call them BIMARU (sick or unwell).
This saddens me deeply.
What the fuck is wrong with these people? What has to be going through your head to even think about doing this?
If women helped each other kill their rapists, the world would be a better place real soon.
luckily there is a group like this in india. They are called Gulabi (pink) Gang.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28WO-0U5Gts&ab_channel=JourneymanPictures
That sounds like a good idea until you remember that women are just as capable as men of being lying psychopaths.
You’re right, it’s a partial solution at best.
Just give them guns. I mean, guns are primitive by today’s measure to manufacture. A sufficient in scale production would make them cheap.
Though arming everybody in India would mean at least one gun for every teen and adult in 1.4bln population, and also ammo.
I’ll allow it. After 900,000 years of being raped the males really do have it coming.
Homo sapiens have only existed as a species for about 300k years, and that’s probably the least of several things wrong with your statement.
I was using the greater definition of humans, which includes our ancestors species. They were still human beings, but not homo sapiens.
"Early humans first migrated out of Africa into Asia probably between 2 million and 1.8 million years ago. They entered Europe somewhat later, between 1.5 million and 1 million years. "
Per the Smithsonian https://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution#:~:text=Humans first evolved in Africa,ago come entirely from Africa.
Hominids but not humans. Not the same species. Might as well be talking about chimpanzees.
From actually reading the piece, this headline is wrong. It should read “Gang-raped 14 year old was burned alive then cut to pieces”
Which actually makes more sense
For transparency, it says that she was alive when she was burned, and the body was recovered from more than one location and this made the investigation harder.
So I have then concluded that she was burned alive and then cut to pieces, rather than cut to pieces alive and then burned.
Glad we cleared that up.
isn’t that worse? i heard being burnt hurts more than being cut.
Yeah, it’s supposed to be the worst pain
That is so extreme with how messed up it is.
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Fucking animals. They don’t deserve sentencing. That’s reserved for human beings. Thy should be put down like wild dogs.
These people are monsters indeed.
However, if you want to be part of civil society, you have to do things right. These asswipes deserve a judge and jury too and will then spend probably the rest of their lives in jail.
You can’t have it both ways.
Don’t waste taxpayers money, resources on them. They simply don’t deserve to live for “rest of their lives in jail”
Of you want to love in a civilized society you don’t want to do that. Let them sit in jail for the rest of their lives that’s fine.
What if you get the wrong person? Yes the perpetrator deserves terrible things, but in order to find and get the right people, we need to go about it in a systematic way. Locking people in jail rather than killing them has the benefit of allowing us to free them should they be exonerated and someone else caught.
It’s not about what’s deserved, it’s about what will lead to the best outcome. Retribution doesn’t necessarily solve problems.
Tortured for the rest of their life, not just sitting in a shitty room.
Sitting in a shitty room and not being able to go outside is torture enough for most. Remember how we all went a bit wonky in the head during lockdown? Like that, but for a lifetime.
Lockdown was nothing for me.
It was normal, no change.
Good for you! I used to live in a flatshare, so I had a bigger bubble than most and that helped
Unfortunately a judge and jury leaves wiggle room for bribes to be paid and rich guilty people to be let free.
Gelding is the answer and women should be the ones doing the gelding.
So in other words, you don’t want s civil society, you want anarchy with vendettas and vigilantes because there is no way that could go wrong. There is no way that anyone would abuse that, and no way that anyone innocent would become victim of your system, right? RIGHT?
A civil society doesn’t let women be gang raped, cooked alive then chopped into pieces.
I’m suggesting that maybe they need gangs of women doling out the same kind of attacks on the men that roam around attacking women. It might make men think twice about attacks.
This is not a good thing to do but in the face of a society that seems to care very little about justice for women, it doesn’t really seem crazy.
Well, not entirely. A civil society will try to educate people to not commit criminal acts. It will punish criminal acts. It can’t, however, stop criminal acts with 100% accuracy. No system can. Neither can your “ideas”
What you propose though is just have groups of women go out and straight up murder random innocent men. That doesn’t sound great, it sounds terrible. It has nothing to do with justice, it’s purely about revenge.
Now I’ll happily agree that Indian societal culture is fucked up badly. Castes and treatment of women are just two of the issues and anytime gang rapes come up, you know it’s India or Hindus and that really shows it’s a cultural issue. My wife and I also have multiple personal experiences with Indians (Muslims too, btw) where it’s always them causing any issues.
So having said all that: I think the solution lies in restructuring their cultures. Their boys need to be taught what is right and wrong and right now they’re being taught the wrong thing. I know from personal experience that in a number of countries Muslim boys are taught that western women are whores and that you can do pretty much anything you like to them, as long as you make sure you don’t get caught. I imagine boys in indea having a somewhat similar teaching. THAT is what need to change, but seeing as widespread as it is, good luck with that.
It reminds me of this travel show video where two blonde girls had to go to some village in India and when they arrived there were hundreds of men waiting for them, pushing them, taking forced selfies with them, until they ran off back in the train and left. It was fucking creepy.
Change the culture, don’t assault random innocent men.
I agree with what you are saying but I didn’t ever say to attack random innocent men. I said groups of women should attack the men that attack and rape lone women. It’s not like these type of men only ever attack one woman, they are likely repeat offenders known to the community but possibly protected by money, class or connections and should be dealt with illegally as there is no legal justice that can deal with them.
And how do you propose they identify these men?
You do understand that we ha r a system set up for this already in every country? It’s called the justice system? They are supposed to have rules for this. If that isn’t working then adjust that system.
Having vigilantes roam the street is a recipe for disaster that guaranteed will end with a lot of innocent victims because lynchings always end up with innocent victims
Random acts of violence aren’t prevented by more random acts of violence. All it does is increasingly normalise it.
It’s offensive to the animals to be comparing them to humans. No non-human animal would have been this cruel.
Have you ever sat around and watched ducks?
Bastards, I tell ya.
I’ve seen the female mallard with half of her feathers removed, floating face down in the water dead, all while the males continue to gang rape her for hours.
Maybe we should compare people like this to ducks.
Assuming that’s exactly what you saw, at best you can compare it to necrophilia, not being burned alive in a furnace.
Oh no no no. She was very much alive when they started.
I heard the horror from my bedroom window. See, I had a creek in my back yard, and across from that creek was the only stretch of land that wasn’t a mountain. It wasn’t a big stretch either.
I looked out the window and I seen her running in absolute horror, “QUACK! QUACK! QUACK!” They got her three at a time, sometimes more. They started with the feathers on the back of her neck. She was running around with a bloodied, naked, neck. Then they held her down and started ripping feathers from everywhere. She ran for the water and tried to swim away. One by one they held her head under water while another climbed on her back holding her by the skin of her bleeding neck. Feathers flew. She’d get her head up to quack a quack of terror, and they’d dip her back in.
It wasn’t long until she was floating with her face in the water. The rape went on for hours after that.
Can’t proofread, have toddlers.
Have a good night.
Now its your duty to put down those other bastard ducks. String them up from the lamppost as a warning to the other bastard ducks who live nearby.
Look at the flithy faces of perpetrators. these are the filthy people who did it. may they rot in jail. also fuck BJP
Put each in a 5x5 cell with a light that never goes out. No human contact, just them alone with their thoughts for the rest of their miserable lives.
Minimal food and water supply so they are kept barely alive. Every few hours piss in their cells.
It’s not recommended to give any attention to perpetrators, that’s what they desire.
Oh lad, calm down with the racism against Indians
but i am also indian .
he’s just fascist, check the post history
oh damn…
Brutal and horrific story involving pedophilia, gang rape, and a follow-up atrocity? If your first guess was India, you are correct.
more specifically its from the bimaru states , which is basically american south but india.
What the actual fuck
What in the fuck
Wtf man, they should rot in jail for life.
Stuff like this becomes common when people care more about identity than real problems.
They deserve guillotine.
No, they don’t deserve a quick death. They deserve to live a meaningless life in a cell
To be fair, for this case I’m all for a public execution so potential criminals should know what will they get.
