Religion is a tool used by Fascist. You don’t defeat Fascism by pretending one of its tools is the true problem. Religion can just as easily be a tool of anti fascist resistance movements. Removing that tool from leftist movements has been a vital flaw of many revolutions.
I am not religious. But saying we should abolish religion will just have the “Ms. Rachel” types of Christians with actual real moral compass (her stance on Gaza obviously being one) caught in crossfire.
There is no working class movement without embracing religion as a tool to form solidarity. Religion is not just all fundamentalist idiots.
I don’t see where they said to abolish religion. It was a call to people to stop giving money to religion. You can be religious without donating a single cent to religion.
There are a lot of religious groups helping to protect people from ICE right now. Blindly saying to stop giving money to religious groups across the board is either malicious or naive. I assumed naive.
Why do you think the feds gave the ability for ICE to enter religious buildings that use to be protected?
Religion is a tool. It’s not good or bad in some fundamental way.
This is a common defense of religion, but it naively (or maliciously) ignores that secular groups help to protect people as well. Unlike religions, secular non profits are required to show how they spend their money, so the help is more direct and you can confirm if they are using the money you donate the way you want instead of some of it going to bigotry.
If it’s a tool it’s a bad one. You can’t even check if it’s working right. It’s like a tool you can’t check and just hopes it works the way you want it to.
It’s not a defense of religion. I don’t know why atheist Andy’s have a hard time understanding that THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE RELIGIOUS.
So, instantly alienating religion and religious groups is just giving away a huge part of the population away to fascist propaganda. Religion can be used as a tool of anti fascist for leftist propaganda too though.
If you don’t understand that then you clearly have never spoken with any leftist from the black communities of the South. Religion is a fundamental unifying part of any movement of solidarity there.
I literally am a black leftist in GA. I, nor the first person said to alienate nor abolish religion. Op said to stop giving religion money, and I pointed out giving money to religion is better spent giving money to organizations that directly help, and specifically help.
There are also organizations working towards making communities for black people who aren’t religious, such https://blacknonbelievers.org/
I welcome religious people and churches helping out, and I’m not going to say anyone should reject such help. I am saying, that as a religious or non religious person, directly giving to organizations that help specifically would help much more than giving to a religion. It’s similar to say the difference between getting ad revenue and Patreon or other direct donations. The latter is more effective.
Lastly, I will say there definitely is a critique of religion, in that many either way into a global fund/membership that donates to organizations that have contributed to where we are now, or directly do so themselves. Can I gaurantee every single one does? No, mainly because as I pointed out they have special rules where they can hide where their money goes. Some small unaffiliated churches may be completely clean.
However, those aren’t even the ones you are talking about, since you specified the large populations of religious people in the south. Those standard denominations definitely gave to anti LGBT, anti abortion, and donated to have exceptions in law carved out for themselves, which significantly contributed to GOP effort to stiffle freedoms. That money helped Trump
Religion is a tool used by Fascist. You don’t defeat Fascism by pretending one of its tools is the true problem. Religion can just as easily be a tool of anti fascist resistance movements. Removing that tool from leftist movements has been a vital flaw of many revolutions.
I am not religious. But saying we should abolish religion will just have the “Ms. Rachel” types of Christians with actual real moral compass (her stance on Gaza obviously being one) caught in crossfire.
There is no working class movement without embracing religion as a tool to form solidarity. Religion is not just all fundamentalist idiots.
I’m sorry you need religion to form solidarity, but that’s on you.
It’s amazing how even the cut off quote you used didn’t say that. It’s a tool that can be used mate. Can you read?
I don’t see where they said to abolish religion. It was a call to people to stop giving money to religion. You can be religious without donating a single cent to religion.
There are a lot of religious groups helping to protect people from ICE right now. Blindly saying to stop giving money to religious groups across the board is either malicious or naive. I assumed naive.
Why do you think the feds gave the ability for ICE to enter religious buildings that use to be protected?
Religion is a tool. It’s not good or bad in some fundamental way.
This is a common defense of religion, but it naively (or maliciously) ignores that secular groups help to protect people as well. Unlike religions, secular non profits are required to show how they spend their money, so the help is more direct and you can confirm if they are using the money you donate the way you want instead of some of it going to bigotry.
If it’s a tool it’s a bad one. You can’t even check if it’s working right. It’s like a tool you can’t check and just hopes it works the way you want it to.
It’s not a defense of religion. I don’t know why atheist Andy’s have a hard time understanding that THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE RELIGIOUS.
So, instantly alienating religion and religious groups is just giving away a huge part of the population away to fascist propaganda. Religion can be used as a tool of anti fascist for leftist propaganda too though.
If you don’t understand that then you clearly have never spoken with any leftist from the black communities of the South. Religion is a fundamental unifying part of any movement of solidarity there.
I literally am a black leftist in GA. I, nor the first person said to alienate nor abolish religion. Op said to stop giving religion money, and I pointed out giving money to religion is better spent giving money to organizations that directly help, and specifically help.
There are also organizations working towards making communities for black people who aren’t religious, such https://blacknonbelievers.org/
I welcome religious people and churches helping out, and I’m not going to say anyone should reject such help. I am saying, that as a religious or non religious person, directly giving to organizations that help specifically would help much more than giving to a religion. It’s similar to say the difference between getting ad revenue and Patreon or other direct donations. The latter is more effective.
Lastly, I will say there definitely is a critique of religion, in that many either way into a global fund/membership that donates to organizations that have contributed to where we are now, or directly do so themselves. Can I gaurantee every single one does? No, mainly because as I pointed out they have special rules where they can hide where their money goes. Some small unaffiliated churches may be completely clean.
However, those aren’t even the ones you are talking about, since you specified the large populations of religious people in the south. Those standard denominations definitely gave to anti LGBT, anti abortion, and donated to have exceptions in law carved out for themselves, which significantly contributed to GOP effort to stiffle freedoms. That money helped Trump