AI-generated child sex imagery has every US attorney general calling for action::“A race against time to protect the children of our country from the dangers of AI.”
They’re not pictures of real people, proceeding against it on that basis undermines the point and makes them look like idiots. It should be banned on principle but ffs there’s got to be a way that doesn’t look reactionary and foolish.
Except when they are pictures of real people doing a body swap
That isn’t at all what an AI generated image is. People have been doing that for better than 50 years.
🤦♀️ I obviously mean the replaced portions of the body are AI generated, like photoshop and various other tools have been using.
Thats been possible since before photoshop and certainly is possible after
Shouldn’t that already be covered under revenge porn laws? At least the distribution side of it.
My question is where did they get the training data for a sufficiently advance CP image generator. Unless it’s just ai porn with kids faces? Which is still creepy, but I guess there are tons of pictures that people post of their own kids?
Manga, manwha(?) CG sets etc of shota/loli. Sprinkle in some general child statistics for height, weight etc . And I’m sure social media helped as well, with people making accounts for their babies for God sake.
Plenty of “data” I’m sure to train up an AI.
Wouldn’t put it past some suck fucks to feed undesirable content into an AI training
But aren’t these models built from source material? I imagine if you want CP AI, you need actual CP to train it, no? That definitely would be a problem.
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It’s unacceptable in any form.
Edit: who knew child pornography was such a “controversial” thing; anyone who downvoted me is in favor of child porn.
It’s obviously very distasteful but those needs don’t just go away. If people with that inclination can’t satisfy their sexual urges at home just looking at porn, it seems more likely they’re going to go out into the world and try to find some other way to do it.
Also, controlling what people do at home that isn’t affecting anyone else, even in a case like this isn’t likely to target exactly just those people and it’s also very likely not to stop there either. I’d personally be very hesitant to ban/persecute stuff like that unless there was actual evidence that it was harmful and that the cure wasn’t going to be worse than the disease.
Even if the imagery was 100 computer-generated without a training model based in abuse, at some point it becomes a line between “is somebody being hurt” and “what is acceptable in civilized society”. If we accept CG CSAM then what else? Gore porn? Snuff? Bestiality? How about a child being sexually assaulted and mutilated by animals at the same time? There is always stuff that’s going to push you envelope further and further, and how do you even tell if real individuals are involved, if it’s CG, or some combination of such?
If they’re all CG, then nobody real is being hurt BUT there’s still gotta be a line between acceptable and unacceptable. Society - at least western society- by and large has decided that the majority of those categories are not acceptable by law, so regardless of how it’s made it’s still illegal, and the dissemination of such can still have a harmful effect on society in general.
those needs don’t just go away
Get psychological help
If people with that inclination can’t satisfy their sexual urges at home just looking at porn, it seems more likely they’re going to go out into the world and try to find some other way to do it.
Get psychological help
Also, controlling what people do at home that isn’t affecting anyone else
Feeding pedophilia is directly harmful to children who grow more at risk
I’d personally be very hesitant to ban/persecute stuff like that unless there was actual evidence that it was harmful and that the cure wasn’t going to be worse than the disease
I’d personally be very hesitant to say “it’s okay to beat off to children” unless there was an actual clinical psychologist involved with the person I’m speaking to saying as such.
Get psychological help
How about addressing my points instead of the ad hominem attacks?
Feeding pedophilia is directly harmful to children who grow more at risk
Like I said: “I’d personally be very hesitant to ban/persecute stuff like that unless there was actual evidence that it was harmful”
If what you’re saying here is actually true then the type of evidence I mentioned would exist. I kind of doubt it works that way though. If you stop “feeding” being straight, gay, whatever, does it just go away and you no longer have those sexual desires? I doubt it.
Much as we might hate it that some people do have those urges, it’s the reality. Pretending reality doesn’t exist usually doesn’t work out well.
I’d personally be very hesitant to say “it’s okay to beat off to children”
I never said any such thing. Also, in this case, we’re also talking about images that resemble children, not actual children.
It should be very clear to anyone reading I’m not defending any kind of abuse. A knee-jerk emotion response here could easily increase the chances children are abused. Or we could give up our rights “for the children” in a way that doesn’t actually help them at all. Those are the things I’m not in favor of.
How about addressing my points instead of the ad hominem attacks?
That is addressing your point. These people need to get psychological help.
If you stop “feeding” being straight, gay, whatever, does it just go away and you no longer have those sexual desires? I doubt it.
The harms brought by conversion therapy to the gay and straight people outweigh the harms that are brought about by allowing them to exist. The same is not true of pedophilia. Though it is interesting if you do see these as the same, are you for the persecution of gay or straight people as you are pedophiles, or are you in favour of pedophiles being able to enact their desires?
Much as we might hate it that some people do have those urges, it’s the reality. Pretending reality doesn’t exist usually doesn’t work out well.
It is the reality, and pretending people will just safely keep their desires to themselves has proven to not work.
I never said any such thing.
I never said you said it, but it is the result of what you’re saying.
we’re also talking about images that resemble children
Since you’re drawing this distinction from the words you decided were thrust in your mouth, they weren’t, would you say “it’s okay to beat off to children who may not exist”?
It should be very clear to anyone reading I’m not defending any kind of abuse
You’re outwardly expressing pedophile apologia.
Or we could give up our rights “for the children” in a way that doesn’t actually help them at all.
What rights are you giving up?
My brother in Christ they have to train the fucking models on real CSAM. It’s not like AI generated CSAM is suddenly a victimless crime.
Humans have been raping kids since our inception. Childhood is a relatively modern concept that young adults are now apart of. It’s an ugly and pervasive subject that needs further study to reduce child harm.
Nobody here said anything otherwise.
I’m sure it is entirely coincidental that the call to action is to restrict/control the free open-source software, and leaves Google and Microsoft safely in control with their curated models.
This is just like the time the US made websites responsible for their users’ content, and coincidentally made it much more legally dangerous to start your own social media platform.
But sure, I mean, just think of the (imaginary) children! We need to stop this theoretical abuse of imaginary children by passing laws that make it harder for any AI not created by a tech giant to operate.
A lot of people here really defending child pornography
It’s an obvious overreach.
An AI generated image is essentially the solution to a math problem. Say the images are/become illegal. Is it then also illegal to possess the input to that equation? The input can be used to perfectly replicate the illegal image after all. What if I change a word in the prompt such that the subject of the generated image becomes clothed? Is that then suddenly legal?
I understand the concern, but it’s just incredibly messy to legislate what amounts to thought crimes.
Maybe we could do something to discourage distribution, but the law would have to be very carefully worded to prevent abuse.
And everyone pointing that out gets downvoted into oblivion, rofl. I hate the internet and the sick degenerates on it.
