• Atomic@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    He’s not ukrainian so I don’t see why or how it would be treason.

    Just a very shitty move.

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          1 year ago

          Are you saying it doesn’t meet the definition or he can’t be tried for it. I’m assuming you’re not a lawyer but this is the definition. Elon’s actions=treason. Treason is the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance.[1] This typically includes acts such as participating in a war against one’s native country, attempting to overthrow its government, spying on its military, its diplomats, or its secret services for a hostile and foreign power, or attempting to kill its head of state. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.[2]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

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            If you read the wiki page, you’ll find that citation [1] is about Roman and Germanic law, and citation [2] is a dictionary. Neither of which are relevant to this case.

            But even if your definition were relevant, Elon Musk did not commit treason because he is not a Ukrainian citizen, and owes no allegiance to them.

            Elon Musk has US citizenship. But under US law, this isn’t treason either. Treason is defined in the constitution as “levying war against the U.S.” not the case here, or “or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”

            You could argue this rises to the level of aid or comfort, but Russia is not an enemy in the eyes of the constitution. They would have to engage in open hostilities for that to be the case. The war in Ukraine is not open hostility against the US.

            I’m not a lawyer, but I can do better research than copying the first paragraph from the first searh result.

            Treason is a serious crime STOP diminishing that word by misusing it.

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        1 year ago

        That’s just twisting of reality.

        I hate Musk, but Starlink has been immensely important to Ukraine, I remember Michael Kofman saying that if there’s one wonder weapon in this war, it’s the Starlink.

        What Musk did was refusing to help more. Shitty move, but it’s absurd to call it “helping Russia”. You also aren’t helping Russia because you don’t send all your discretionary income to Ukrainian army.

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          1 year ago

          He was paid for a service and he turned it off, that’s way different than “helping more”. Don’t be a Musk apologist, he’s got billions to go to that cause.

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            Musk provided terminals and connections initially for free, a contract with US for compensation was awarded only later.

            The policy to provide coverage only in Ukraine controlled area was there all along, so that was clearly part of that contract.

            Again, I very much dislike Musk, but then I also dislike when hate obscures facts.