Rafie Ollah Shouhed, 79, suffered multiple broken ribs, elbow injuries and a traumatic brain injury during the Sept. 9 incident, according to the federal tort claim filed by his attorneys.
According to his claim, when Shouhed attempted to show agents proof of his employees’ work authorization, agents “cursed at him” and “violently body-slammed him onto the pavement.” Three agents then allegedly pinned him down, with one placing a knee on his neck, the claim stated.
“You don’t f— with ICE. We are here,” agents responded, according to the claim.
I didn’t say ICE doesn’t use violence
For fucks sake, you said it’s wrong to use violence to stop ICE, meaning people should just accept the other side is using violence, but refrain from it themselves.
That’s decidedly moronic, and how do you imagine you can defend that position from a moral standpoint?
You wrote:
If you think the left must remain peaceful, while the right is using widespread violence and wildly abusing any official power, there is only one way this ends, and that is with the right winning without a fight.
I don’t think fighting ICE is going to get rid of the problem before causing a civil war. And I also think that civil war is still preventable through peaceful means.
Of course it isn’t, and again talk about civil war is a slippery slope argument.
The post you originally responded to didn’t even mention anything about violence, but only that 14 days until the next big demonstration is too long, and strong worded letters are not enough, and you immediately conflate that to too much violence?
WTF???
Obviously if USA wants to keep their democracy, this cannot at this time be achieved without a demonstration of force.
A demonstration of force does not have to be violent, but it does require people to respond in force, as in many people showing up. And just as in war, you cannot win if you are not willing to fight.
Fascism can’t be beat by pacifism.