It’s a beautiful thing to see my state leading the charge against MAGA. I’m sure a few other western states will join us when we inevitably break off.
Of note, I was just telling my wife while we were out for a drive last weekend how much I’ve seen our state flag appearing on peoples homes now. Before Trump people in California rarely if ever displayed the Cali flag, but now I see it everywhere, especially in neighborhoods that typically didn’t have them before.
They have that new North East or New England health pact thing! They’re working on stuff, but I think they’re rightfully taking stock of what areas they can afford to hit back on. California can basically take care of itself so we have a lot less to lose if the feds try to shut us down.
There’s a lot of old money up there. And if I’ve learned anything through 2 of his terms, it’s that money is willing to vote against its seemingly better judgement for a few dollars more of a tax break.
Guess we’ll see how that vision works out when investments and the consumer economy go kaput in a civil war and the aftermath.
Never made sense to me to see capitalists support tearing down the system they thrive on. Do they think it won’t end? I guess these are the people that believe in infinite growth after all.
I can’t wait until y’all just balkanize already; I’m sure that when the dust settles, some parts of the former United States will be worth visiting. Until it happens and actual names are picked, I’ve been calling your chunk New New England
Millions will die in a war before the U.S. let’s California go anywhere. If California split from the U.S., the U.S. would start to default on all of the loans without forcing large amounts of the debt somehow onto California. Not to mention the number of military bases and equipment that exists there, the entire western seaboard would be considered a security threat.
Also, remember that during the revolutionary war the French provided support. I’m sure there are lots of countries that, in a civil war, would join with California in providing defensive equipment and offensive weapons. We’re also 10% of the US population with a whole mountain range providing protection and desserts between us and the rest of the “mainland.” So logistically we’re covered very well if we really have to.
They can consider us whatever they want as long as we’re winners I don’t care.
I’m sure there are lots of countries that, in a civil war, would join with California
New England will. We’ve got them surrounded! I’ll bet we could hire the regressives to fight themselves. We’ll send waves and waves of Southerners against … the South
wasnt the whole point of the NCR about showing this dinosaur of an organization failing to adapt to the new state of the world, trying in futility to carry on under the old rules that lead to the worlds annihilation in the first place, repeating the same mistakes over and over while things are were now even less sustainable/forgiving…
meanwhile the ceasers legion was harsh but fair, ceasers territory didn’t suffer bandit attacks any longer because ceasers legion when to great lengths to exterminate them and insure the conditions where they flourished didn’t exist
bethesda just fucked em on dev time so they had to cut all content on ceasers side of the river
That was definitely a theme of the NCR, but you are being grossly kind in your interpretation of Caeser’s Legion. They were horrific monsters that burned people alive. Their sadistic brutality was admittedly affective, but I’d rather join the Children of the Atom than those sick bastards.
no doubt about that, but the “these ruthless bastards are actually pretty good at imposing order upon the wasteland”-message gets kinda lost because all the CL-territory content got cut.
Order is not nnecessarilya good thing. Nazi Germany in 42 was certianly more orderly than the Weimar Republic it replaced, but you’d never chose to live there if you had to pick one of the two
I always thought the lack of content was intentional because CL was a very rigid society that gave people the option of crucifixion or conscription and essentially there was no freedom to do dumb bullshit in that society.
The whole point of the game was that only house was taking the long view and orgs like NCR are the obvious response to CL which is just an even older model of society.
idk, i recall reading somewhere that dataminers dug up a bunch of CL-side of river content sitting unused. which would likely be result of constricted timeline bethesda gave em
I don’t know about the CL stuff specifically, but there was definitely a lot of content that got cut. Obsidian got screwed over by Bethesda hard. It is ironic that they are now both owned by shitty Microsoft.
Ceasers Legion is a myopic hellstate that reduces women to sex slaves, and culturally genocides every tribe it conquers. It’s entirely dependent upon the leadership and personality cult of one guy with a brain tumor, and will fracture if not disintegrate upon his death. They refuse to use any of the old worlds technologies to such a point that they weaken themselves by shunning firearms and sicken themselves by rejecting stimpacks. The NCR is hardly perfect, but to call the Legion “fair” is absolutely ridiculous. “Tough but fair” applies way more to House than the Legion. To say nothing of the fact that you criticize the NCR for being too stuck in the old ways, but the Legion is just a rehash of even older society
It’s a beautiful thing to see my state leading the charge against MAGA. I’m sure a few other western states will join us when we inevitably break off.
Of note, I was just telling my wife while we were out for a drive last weekend how much I’ve seen our state flag appearing on peoples homes now. Before Trump people in California rarely if ever displayed the Cali flag, but now I see it everywhere, especially in neighborhoods that typically didn’t have them before.
It is inspiring.
But I really wish we’d step up here on the East Coast. NY, MA, NJ, VT. All should be right out in front with you, but aren’t.
They have that new North East or New England health pact thing! They’re working on stuff, but I think they’re rightfully taking stock of what areas they can afford to hit back on. California can basically take care of itself so we have a lot less to lose if the feds try to shut us down.
So you’re saying there’s a chance.
There’s a lot of old money up there. And if I’ve learned anything through 2 of his terms, it’s that money is willing to vote against its seemingly better judgement for a few dollars more of a tax break.
Old money tends to take a longer view than new. At least I have seen it that way.
Guess we’ll see how that vision works out when investments and the consumer economy go kaput in a civil war and the aftermath. Never made sense to me to see capitalists support tearing down the system they thrive on. Do they think it won’t end? I guess these are the people that believe in infinite growth after all.
They think they will win and that the destruction won’t touch them.
I can’t wait until y’all just balkanize already; I’m sure that when the dust settles, some parts of the former United States will be worth visiting. Until it happens and actual names are picked, I’ve been calling your chunk New New England
Millions will die in a war before the U.S. let’s California go anywhere. If California split from the U.S., the U.S. would start to default on all of the loans without forcing large amounts of the debt somehow onto California. Not to mention the number of military bases and equipment that exists there, the entire western seaboard would be considered a security threat.
Maybe, but freedom is worth fighting for.
Also, remember that during the revolutionary war the French provided support. I’m sure there are lots of countries that, in a civil war, would join with California in providing defensive equipment and offensive weapons. We’re also 10% of the US population with a whole mountain range providing protection and desserts between us and the rest of the “mainland.” So logistically we’re covered very well if we really have to.
They can consider us whatever they want as long as we’re winners I don’t care.
New England will. We’ve got them surrounded! I’ll bet we could hire the regressives to fight themselves. We’ll send waves and waves of Southerners against … the South
I bet Russia would jump on the opportunity
I think Russia would take the other side, and Trump would be glad to accept their help. Newsom wouldn’t want it anyway.
he would GIFT ALASKA BACK TO russia .
also thats where the SEALs train for enlistees corondo, yea they arnt letting it go.
Damn straight. Proud Californian.
We’ve got something like 6.4 million Conservatives in California. Something to consider, they won’t just accept no longer being a part of the U.S. .
They can leave. They all want to live in Idaho or Texas anyway. Fuck 'em.
Night of the long knife.
Yeah ok, good luck getting those 6 million people disarmed — or did you think they’d just let you shoot them because of your righteousness?
The Trump Regime is basically Caesar’s Legion, but dumber. NCR all the way!
wasnt the whole point of the NCR about showing this dinosaur of an organization failing to adapt to the new state of the world, trying in futility to carry on under the old rules that lead to the worlds annihilation in the first place, repeating the same mistakes over and over while things are were now even less sustainable/forgiving…
meanwhile the ceasers legion was harsh but fair, ceasers territory didn’t suffer bandit attacks any longer because ceasers legion when to great lengths to exterminate them and insure the conditions where they flourished didn’t exist
bethesda just fucked em on dev time so they had to cut all content on ceasers side of the river
That was definitely a theme of the NCR, but you are being grossly kind in your interpretation of Caeser’s Legion. They were horrific monsters that burned people alive. Their sadistic brutality was admittedly affective, but I’d rather join the Children of the Atom than those sick bastards.
no doubt about that, but the “these ruthless bastards are actually pretty good at imposing order upon the wasteland”-message gets kinda lost because all the CL-territory content got cut.
Order is not nnecessarilya good thing. Nazi Germany in 42 was certianly more orderly than the Weimar Republic it replaced, but you’d never chose to live there if you had to pick one of the two
I always thought the lack of content was intentional because CL was a very rigid society that gave people the option of crucifixion or conscription and essentially there was no freedom to do dumb bullshit in that society.
The whole point of the game was that only house was taking the long view and orgs like NCR are the obvious response to CL which is just an even older model of society.
idk, i recall reading somewhere that dataminers dug up a bunch of CL-side of river content sitting unused. which would likely be result of constricted timeline bethesda gave em
I don’t know about the CL stuff specifically, but there was definitely a lot of content that got cut. Obsidian got screwed over by Bethesda hard. It is ironic that they are now both owned by shitty Microsoft.
Ceasers Legion is a myopic hellstate that reduces women to sex slaves, and culturally genocides every tribe it conquers. It’s entirely dependent upon the leadership and personality cult of one guy with a brain tumor, and will fracture if not disintegrate upon his death. They refuse to use any of the old worlds technologies to such a point that they weaken themselves by shunning firearms and sicken themselves by rejecting stimpacks. The NCR is hardly perfect, but to call the Legion “fair” is absolutely ridiculous. “Tough but fair” applies way more to House than the Legion. To say nothing of the fact that you criticize the NCR for being too stuck in the old ways, but the Legion is just a rehash of even older society