Locking. The comment section is a perfect summary of why so many people don’t want to be associated with Linux users. I should’ve removed the post outright because it is inflammatory, reactionary, and invites toxicity – evidenced by the fact that the downvotes on dissenting comments are largely made by the same users. I wonder if a pattern might emerge.
There is a discussion to be had about the topic… but it went to exchanging insults and downvoting out of disagreement.
the largest barrier to linux is its user base
Dont interact with it then. There are manuals.
Replying to that with an “RTFM” response has to be some kind of meta-joke.
It was meant to be, seems people were unhappy with it 😅
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As a European IT admin:
Everyone in HR, finance, sales, management can all be moved to Linux. They all use webinterfaces for all of their work.
Software development, no windows specific software.
Even marketing / image creation… More and more software is ready or available for Linux.
Ignoring this very real option for most of your people is indeed silly these days.
Hell it might be worth having a central windows VM that people can rdp into for that one old windows app.
Fun for you, but certainly not possible for your average company.
HR, finance, sales, management only webinterface they use is Sharepoint. All the rest is done on proprietary software and Excel.
Software development have been creating Access programs because they need to work with some old IBM server. We’d not only have to replace that hardware, we would also have to replace the experts and hire ones with knowledge about the new languages to be used, and convert everything on the servers of course…
Marketing is maybe the easiest, but they will need to get used to new software.
And all of the users will need to follow training to use Linux.
Users complain when a button moves a centimeter, they will definitely complain when their entire OS changes.
So no, it is easier to rebuild an entire company than it is to switch the environment.
Something tells me that if a city can do it in 2004, so could a company with all the improvements in 2025. And as with the city, the biggest issue will be the management being idiots (corruption) and/or underfunding the IT.
If a company has to treat their employees like delicate flowers who can’t deal with a slightly different interface it’s not the issue with software, but the companies’ training program / policies and unwillingness to invest in them. And it’s not like investments in FOSS IT and your employees wouldn’t pay off, all those proprietary licenses are expensive as hell. See link, the city saved money despite even having to develop whole new tools, acquire licenses and whatnot. Lots of small stuff not necessary today anymore.
Not saying it wouldn’t be a complicated endeavour, but certainly not impossible and definitely one that pays off.
I see, so quite an old company then. (Access, IBM server and sharepoint, etc) Not something a newer company would be using.
I can see you would be stuck with that older tech debt. And finding people for that old stuff is harder then finding people that want to use the new stuff.
Teaching people to use Linux? I mean, not much difference between windows and KDE anymore? Just need to know how to log in, and start their software?
In the end, if your company is not able to move and change to a new world / user demands…
I see, so quite an old company then. (Access, IBM server and sharepoint, etc) Not something a newer company would be using.
Oh you sweet sweet summer child
From my MSP and corporate experience it definitely depends on the organization for how viable migrating some users to Linux might be.
I’ve seen some organizations that could be migrated tomorrow if the political will was there, and I’ve seen some organizations where all but 5 of the computer users are running CAD software and interfacing with architectural plotters.
Realistically it all relies on the political will to try something new. With the digital sovereignty push in Europe there’s suddenly a ton of political will to try something new and not just buy whatever Microsoft is selling like many orgs have done for the last nearly 3 decades. It’s also convenient that Microsoft is trying to say tons of perfectly capable machines are ewaste so there’s significant cost savings available to these orgs by switching if they have enough older machines in use still
And that’s why they don’t switch to Linux.
I’m talking about after they refuse to help themselves. They want their learned helplessness and Microsoft stockholm syndrome validated, and fuck that!
Ok, but my point is that, if you want them to switch to Linux and because you like it and seem to hate Windows, I think that’s a reasonable assumption, treating them poorly will not make that better for anyone. They won’t want to put forth the effort and as a primarily Windows user and having tried Linux on many occasions, I can say it can be a daunting task especially when you need to use the command line. In the past I can honestly say that I have had a lot of help from very knowledgeable and friendly Linux users. But please don’t deny that Linux users aren’t just a little bit elitist.
In fact I can already picture the current Linux community complaining about the state of Linux if it were to skyrocket in popularity. Suddenly it would be like, all these stupid Windows users coming to Linux, ruining the experience. Companies trying to profit off of it. I liked it better when it was a small community.
I don’t want them to switch. I don’t care if you use windows or not. It’s you or them who have to suffer windows not me. Why should I care? Switch to linux or don’t. Means nothing to me.
Did you actually see the thing this was posted in response to? It was about scolding Linux users for even politely suggesting switching, which is the bare minimum to even begin to try to help solve the complainers’ real problem (corporate enshittification) instead of just the symptom du jour they were complaining about at any given moment.
Don’t scold us for trying to help you and then have the utter fucking gall to try to police our tone instead of your own!
I want Omnissa (VMWare) Horizon Client to support Wayland. Until then, while I have to boot into Windows for one thing, I might as well boot into Windows for everything.
Maybe next year will be the year of the Linux Desktop.
I’d rather use x11 than windows. But you do you.
Yeah, my monitors didn’t work under Ubuntu X11. At least on PopOS, that just worked.
Why are people ratioing this purely subjective take? I’ve had builds that didn’t get along with various peripherals. That’s like a super common refrain from people with a great many distros.
Heck, that can even happen with Windows.
My Logitech F710 never worked right with Windows because the driver’s power saving feature doesn’t mesh well with Windows 10’s power saving feature, causing dropped inputs. No such problems under Linux.
Not everything works everywhere. People are used to how things don’t work with Windows and learning how things don’t work differently with a Linux distro is annoying because you learn by running into problems. If you have people to switch over and have a good time you have to help than through this.
I have so many questions, but it’s ok if you dont want or can’t answer them. why doesn’t omnissa work in wayland? X11-only apps are still supposed to work (because of a compatibility layer xwayland), and I take advantage of that all the time with multiple apps. and why don’t your monitors work? hdmi/dp/dvi are all very basic things that should just work, regardless of using X11 or not
The app didn’t seem to respect the environment variable for X11 I tried to set for that one app.
I have an odd monitor configuration, one 2k high refresh rate, HDR monitor in the center, 1080p monitors to the left, right, and above. The right is also a higher refresh rate.
I could get it to work in Ubuntu… inconsistently. Sometimes I’d log in and have one 640x480 monitor in the center. PopOS just worked.
The app didn’t seem to respect the environment variable for X11 I tried to set for that one app.
that should only matter if it would run in wayland mode and you want to override it to run in x11 mode.
though, maybe omnissa tries to use wayland mode, but does that very poorly, and in that case you would actually want to override this.
there’s multiple ways to disable wayland for an app (actually what you do is convince the app to not use wayland), and it depends on the framework the app uses. but setting the environment variableWAYLAND_DISPLAY=(like this, to the empty value) should work, as lots of apps look for that to know if they should use wayland.usually you set the environment variables for an app in its own launcher icon’s editor menu. there’s other ways too but this does not require using the terminal.
I have an odd monitor configuration, one 2k high refresh rate, HDR monitor in the center, 1080p monitors to the left, right, and above. The right is also a higher refresh rate.
I could get it to work in Ubuntu… inconsistently. Sometimes I’d log in and have one 640x480 monitor in the center. PopOS just worked.
yeah that’s a bit complicated. but I would expect kde plasma to handle it well. it has a display config menu a bit like windows has, where you can drag each display to where it should be. be aware though that it does not affect the user selector screen that you see between a fresh boot and the first login; that’s configurable too but in a different way.
Insufferable
I know, right? People who wallow in their problems instead of working to solve them are insufferable, and people who scold us for trying to help are even worse!
Proposing a “solution” that was never a possibility in the first place isn’t helping either.
I don’t switch to linux because I need to use “breakout rooms” in Teams on a daily basis and they disabled that for linux.
WTF?
I mean, my work PC is managed by the company and thus a Windows device, but why disable that feature? Yes, it somewhat makes sense if you see it like “we don’t want other OS to have all features to make costumers less likely to switch” BUT Teams on Mac has some unique features that haven’t been ported to windows and are still exclusively available on Mac, so…?!
They stopped supporting Teams on Linux entirely. Linux users are supposed to run Teams in a browser and the browser version lacks certain features, even things like custom background images; you can only use the ones provided by Microsoft.
I use an unofficial client, which seems to be based on the old official one. That gives me most of the functionality back.
Which client is that and where can I find it?
https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux
It’s also on Flathub and the AUR. And the Snap store, if you use that for some reason.
that’s weird. does that not work in the browser either?
I don’t think it ever worked in the browser. Like all office apps, the browser version is limited
Nah, they don’t switch cause they are too lazy to learn something new. They find something about linux to complain about so they can go “see, they are all jerks and now I won’t switch”
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No one deserves to be treated like that. The fact that there are people that righteously believe people deserve to be treated like that is part of our problems as a society.
There are perfectly valid reasons not to switch to Linux. Many people could switch, which is why encouraging switching is fine, but when the entire work environment is in Windows, or they need specific software that does not work properly (or at all) on Linux, fully switching is not an option. I love me a “Windows Bad, Linux Good” meme, don’t get me wrong, but that is a meme at the end of the day. Reality is often much more nuanced, and this is no exception.
How many valid reasons are there not to switch and then continue to whine about Windows while still expecting sympathy?
This isn’t a “Windows bad, Linux good” meme. This is a meme fighting back at the other thread’s assertion that being less than sympathetic and accepting of their toxic learned helplessness – while they continue to support companies that attack our rights, BTW – somehow makes us the bad guys.
Someone made a tongue in cheek meme pointing out the obnoxious mentality of the “just use Linux” crowd and your response was to double down and prove their point.
Classic
So let me get this straight: Linux users trying in good faith to help people are obnoxious, but Windows users who bitch and moan and refuse to take responsibility for their self-inflicted problems somehow aren’t?
“Just use this other thing instead” has never been a good faith solution for when people have a problem with something else.
It doesn’t matter if you are right that
tool aworks better thantool b, especially when sometimes people are unfortunately not providing their own tools.So no, your take is wrong again.
I say this from the position of someone who literally has tux tattooed on them.
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Chill it with the insults.
First of all:
Just use this other thing instead” has never been a good faith solution
Bullshit. That is very often an excellent solution!
Second, the thing this post was made in response to is as follows, and I quote:
Sometimes people just want to be able to complain about Windows or iOS without being told about Linux.
…
If the obvious reply to the post is “use Linux,” as a rule, do not post that. You are not adding anything.
I counter with this: if you [speaking generally, the same way the the original post was – not referring to @prettybunnys specifically] know the obvious reply you’re gonna get is “use Linux” and you don’t want to hear it, don’t fucking post your complaint in the first place because you [again, speaking generally] aren’t adding anything! You [still speaking generally] are not entitled to complain and then tone-police the responses you solicited! Who the fuck do you [even more speaking generally] think you are, to believe that you have the right to bother us publicly with your problems [continuing to speak generally, and that part makes it obvious because “your problems” refers to Windows problems and @prettybunnys apparently has a Tux tattoo] but we don’t have the right to ‘bother’ you with the solutions to them in response?! How is that behavior anything other than incredibly toxic and condescending?
Who do I think I am
A human who largely succeeds in communicating with other humans without resorting to talking to them the way you are.
Take care dude
I was using “you” in the general sense the same way the post I was quoting used it, not to address @prettybunnys in particular. In fact, I’m well aware that specific-you was not among the general-“you” I was addressing, as I referenced people with “your [Windows] problems” and specific-you had made it clear that you’re a Linux user. (Cute tattoo, BTW, although I’d have believed you even without the picture.)
Anyway, I apologize for not making that clear enough. I should’ve noted it explicitly like I did in this other comment, but I thought the context was sufficient. Or maybe I just got lazy, and have no good excuse. Either way, personally attacking you was not what I intended.
For some people, using windows in a VM might also be a good fallback, specially for older and/or lightweight software.
Anything to do with hw, non-steam gaming or heavy applications might be a hit or miss
How many people have such work envs?
I hate that people (not you) keep saying “Linux is for tech people only” and “My workflow is super Windows specific”.
Like is both are true, fine, but that must be like 0.1% of users.
Anyone dependent on Adobe suite.
At least 90% of the companies are like that.
like nearly every single work environment
This is one of those situations where “both sides are bad” actually holds weight.
Yes, Linux communities are full of insufferable shitheads who have way too much emotional investment in what is essentially a tool. I onced looked up some information on Youtube about flatpacks to educated myself and ended up watching some moron have a 20 minute meltdown about how they’re “soy and unmanly”. As a Linux user, that is fucking embarassing.
Hardline Windows users are shitheads in their own right, too. If something isn’t handed to them or requires effort beyond dragging and droppping files, it’s proper shit and you’re just an out-of-touch nerd for trying to mainstream this esoteric nonsense. It’s a thought-terminating cliche about Linux and its users that’s about 25 years out of date. I don’t know shit about the terminal, BASH, or what the fuck a GRUB is but I’ve been using Linux Mint for two years now with zero issues. Yes, even when running games.
Ah yes let’s be dicks. That’s how you can get people to switch over.
The shift to Linux is a tough one, and it just cannot happen all at once. The longer you spend in a workflow, the longer it takes to change it. If we offer our support and kindness to people when they struggle with Windows, it lends more credibility when we recommend Linux. Plus, I’m not really going to complain about another opportunity to call out when Microsoft does more dumb shit.
Brb, going to get fired for installing Linux on all the work computers.
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You seem really mad and like you give a lot of fucks actually.
Sure
how hard is it to like linuz and not be an asshole?😮😮
Unfortunately asking people to learn anything makes you look like an asshole. If you make someone think when they don’t want to? Asshole.
Unsolicited advice is asshole-behavior, like it or not.
This meme isn’t asking people to learn anything, it’s just shitting on windows users.
I think it’s shitting on windows users who complain constantly about windows but are unwilling to learn anything else.
It’s not like Linux is 1:1 compatible with everything on windows. Maybe you play a game with kernel anticheat, you don’t have a choice in the matter. There’s no reason to just be a dick about it.
Maybe you play a game with kernel anticheat, you don’t have a choice in the matter.
Who’s holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play games with anticheat?!
There’s no reason to just be a dick about it.
There’s every reason to “be a dick” (your words, not mine) to lying assholes who claim in bad faith that they have no choice when they obviously do.
“Why should people want to play the games they want to play” is the weirdest argument to take.
Who’s holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play games with anticheat?!
Now you’re expecting both an operating system and lifestyle change of people. Are you hearing yourself?
Impossible.
What kept me from swapping longer than anything else was spite for the shitty linux community.
Yeah it’s a tough switch. It’s a lot like getting out of a relationship that you know isn’t gonna work, but every time you go to end it you think “hey it isn’t that bad right NOW is it?” and put it off.
A clean break would be faster and easier for everybody involved.
Now you DO stand to accrue some extra skills by spending some time with a foot in both workflows. It makes you have to learn some weird shit. But in the long run idk if that actually helps more than it hurts.
I took a long time to make the switch lol.
Yeah it’s a tough switch. It’s a lot like getting out of a relationship that you know isn’t gonna work, but every time you go to end it you think “hey it isn’t that bad right NOW is it?” and put it off.
A clean break would be faster and easier for everybody involved.
Exactly! And having enablers of that toxic relationship, like the person quoted in that other post, scolding people for making that exact point only makes the situation even worse.
I’d treat my boss like that but I still need a job
I know people that complain about windows, but if they were to switch to Linux, their experience would deteriorate even further. I can’t get COD blackops 3 to not crash the amdgpu kernel driver.
