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    I’m pretty sure he is using ICE to trigger a violent response from the population so it “justifies” the use of the military against the population. To him, it hasn’t gone far enough because he hasn’t gotten that violent response yet.

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      Yeah, you guys should just wait around rather than provoke him. I’m sure common sense will intervene and he totally won’t keep escalating things the way he has continually been. Best to save any direct action until it’s DEFINITELY too late.

      Fucking clowns.

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      This is what I really don’t understand. So the game plan is to use a violent response as an excuse to use a violent response?

      At this point we’re looking at 10s of thousands if not 100s of people kidnapped, and we’re all doing nothing under this pretext. Is this message from the opposition?

      The thing were all forgetting is that we don’t have to fight ice, we just have to fight billionaires and their security. The sooner we understand that, the sooner we can all sleep without worry

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        I want the billionaires to go hide in their bunkers, so I can go around blocking all the air vents with cement.

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        It’s a catch-22. If people fight back, Trump & Co steam roll us with the military to quell “the violent left.” As people have remained relatively non-violent, the state keeps upping the ante in hopes that the people respond violently, which in turn “justifies” a violent course of action from the fed. They’re only really heavily antagonizing blue cities.

        The purpose of all this is to extinguish opposition in order to transform the US into some bastardized rosey view of the 50s where the majority of people are white Christians, where men are in charge and women keep quiet, and that they can control the economy from on high to further enrich “the right people” while keeping the poors at bay. This is all entirely spelled out in Project 2025. They’re trying to throttle anyone not in 100℅ agreement with their view of the right America.

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          I get all that.

          They’ve already convinced the right, they don’t need this show for the right. They need this show for us, which they won’t get. So who’s it for?

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            If I had to guess, to keep rallying their base. They still need continued support from at least a portion of the country to keep us fighting amongst ourselves. Once they have total control, they’ll cast them aside.

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            The left might protest peacefully but the right might not (ie: J6). When this happens the left will be blamed and shown as example, when really it’ll be one of their own people. They’re doing it cus it’s making them money.

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        The game plan is to get a violent response from the proletariat to lock the country down into martial law, and rule by deadly force. He becomes king, and his billionaire donors get more money (especially from for-profit detention centers).

        He continues to either bring up, or gets asked about, the Insurrection Act. Problem is, he doesn’t have a legitimate reason to use it yet. Sure, he could probably imvoke it now since he has lawful immunity, but the optics wouldn’t align, so he has to help stoke the fire.

        The billionaires, meanwhile, have insulated themselves from wrongdoing by the grander populace, as they’ve benefitted from decades long propaganda about “earning” their wealth. Meanwhile having sufficient power to influence laws and regulations, while building their own “escape” plans (bunkers, foreign investments and properties, etc.). Not to mention, loyalist security forces, including the National Guard (a private donation paid their whole next paycheck).