• TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    If you don’t know that you’re ridiculous, you might never not be ridiculous. You might never know that the premises of your beliefs are absurd nonsense.

    So yes. More ridicule.

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        Why does it always have to be on the rest of society to take the highest road, offer all of the grace of community to those who actively participate, encourage and promote the destruction of our society?

        Ever notice that they immediately have to take the role of the victim and expect to be treated in a polite manner, then get mad when society doesn’t respond the way they want? Fucking exhausting.

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        If you don’t think Andrew Tate type people deserve more ridicule, you might just be a piece of shit running cover for pieces of shit.

        Why do you defend completely trash people?

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          Andrew Tate is absolute trash. He’s also not one of the lonely people he’s targeting.

          I’m not defending Tate or Peterson. I’m defending the lonely men who fall prey to his bullshit because everybody else just ridicules lonely people for being desperate enough to reach out to the only people offering anything to them at all.

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            Perhaps these men should reach out to a therapist and not bigoted, hateful pieces of shit?

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              Because that requires them to accept they have an issue. Tate et al tells them society is at fault and they don’t need to change.

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              Finally, somebody offered something other than than ridicule. Yes, this is an actual response.

              Personally I don’t think therapy will make men less lonely, but it might provide them with better coping mechanisms and a response to that loneliness.

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            So the secret to deprogramming a rapist’s online cult members is just to have really good intentions. Got it.

            I think I’m just going to continue ridiculing Tate. If that hurts his believers’ feelings and they feel a bit ridiculous, well, I guess I’ll have to live with myself.

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              1. Yes, the secret to deprogramming a rapist’s cult is definitely 100% to have good intentions for those lonely men who fall prey to the cult.

              2. Yes, keep ridiculing Tate because he is ridiculous and hostile. But if you are generally ridiculing lonely people for their desperation and their failure to find a good response to their misery… then you are exactly the same as Tate.

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                You know a ton of Tate’s followers are children, right? There are a fuckload of societal issues beyond just “loneliness” in play here.

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                  The meme is explicitly about lonely men falling prey to brainwashing. That’s what we’ve been talking about this whole time.

                  If you actually care about diminishing the power of Tate’s ugliness, you would offer something other than more ugliness to those lonely people.

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          I’m not talking about the psychotic self-help grifters. I’m talking about the lonely young men they prey on. That’s also who the meme is ridiculing.

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            if you are dumb enough to be bigoted out of ‘loneliness’ then I don’t think I care too much. being an asshole and being sexist and transphobic are not the same.

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                I’m fully aware of the depths depression and other mental illnesses can take someone to. I understand hating people because your life sucks, I won’t understand people that resort to demeaning those already beneath them (in a socioeconomic sense, that is.)

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                  The grift doesn’t lead with hate or demeaning people. The grift leads with answers and solutions to serious problems (albeit largely bullshit solutions), and then the hate is brought in later to isolate the recruited person and build in-group loyalty be defining an out-group.

                  When bloodthirsty lunatics then start their attack on that high level by ridiculing the recruited person for showing interest in a cult whose only appearance to us is that they treat us like the out-group, but without offering any solutions or even humanity (just explicitly mocking them as lonely people), then you’re just solidifying the group dynamics that the grifters created.