“The collecting society GEMA, which manages the rights of composers, lyricists and music publishers and has approximately 100,000 members, filed the case against OpenAI in November 2024.”
ofcourse the “artists” never learned writing lyrics on lyrics of others? LOL
I mean every German who ever heard of GEMA knew this was inevitable all the way back in 2022. They threatened entire cities to the point some of them don‘t play music on Christmas markets anymore. You can‘t win against those guys, just hope for a hefty settlement.
GEMA is so bizarre. If you’re a musician and composer and want to do a live concert that consists only of songs written by you and there is an entrence fee, you’ll basically have to give them all of said fee or even more. They are destroying any culture really, only to give the money to some of the most successful musicians. And that even if you yourself are not part of GEMA, so don’t get ANYTHING in return.
GEMA was created by the Nazis to take over pop culture. There’s a certain logic there.
Of course, under the Nazis you could be sent to camp if you belonged to the wrong subculture. So there is a difference. The rebels of the time listened to jazz, to swing. “Negro music” was the social media of that age, corrupting the youth.
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Unless you are performing it for others, or for profit, they generally don’t care.
What if you read a copyrighted engineering textbook, and then build something for profit with that knowledge?
That’s the point of a textbook.
My understanding is that it’s for learning only. You should be safe for your private singing purposes. It seems like you would owe them royalties if you created your own song lyrics, after having read/heard one of theirs…
They sure would like that.
Never thought I’d hail the GEMA for what they’re doing…
I think “ingesting” is more accurate than “learning”.
Illegaly ingesting. I hate it that private people are fined when they look wrong at a minor hash of a snippet of data but when a corporation does it in full and monetizes it, it’s fine!
How is it an “undisclosed [amount of] damages” - aren’t court rulings supposed to be public [records]?
I know stuff like the rulings of me going to court with the driver and insurance companies involved in a car accident certainly was public (in Germany).
Anyone in the know please ELI5 and/or point me at the relevant laws, how/what/in which cases (parts of) rulings can be “undisclosed”.
Settlements can go undisclosed by agreement of the parties involved. Civil court is different from criminal; the former is for the benefit of interested parties, the latter is for the benefit of the public at large. Criminal courts can do some things behind closed doors as well but that usually requires a need of the state (such as protection of a judge, jury, state, etc.)
This is assuming a legal system similar to that in OPs post.
Is ChatGPT a legal entity competent to violate copyright law? I don’t think that’s likely.
I do think OpenAI violated copyright law by copying song lyrics and other media to use them as input to their LLM systems, to embed the essence of them into their LLMs for commercial benefit. Judging by the valuations of the companies that do not yet have significant income compared to the investments, on the face of it, the IP they copied, often without license, as far as I know, is fantastically valuable.
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