inb4 libs come to smugly tell us we are murderous fascists.
last week, i was queer tankie for interjecting on anti-chinese pink washing propaganda
fortunately, i’ve learned what to expect from the diet-reddit instance of the lemmyverse and it so bizarre that pink washing works for china, but not isreal when it comes to palestine.
As much as we might disagree about things and eventually have to kill each other when you inevitably betray the revolution and try to kill me for not being reactionary enough, I’d far prefer your world to theirs.
we don’t want to kill anyone. though police forces might be deployed to try and stop us.
we don’t want regular people dead, far from it. we want you to join us against the ones who oppress us. shit, we are ok with you doing whatever you think it’s effective as long as you don’t side with fascists like libs sometimes do.
Missing the point.
i try to always go straight to the point.
i could rant about this forever, i dont care how it is called, i just want everybody to work together, sharing the resources, to make a better world for everyone.
while capitalism is just everybody fighting for themself, trying to greedly obtain as much stuff as possible, trying to make their own lives better as first, constantly looking for the next grift to get more.
everybody has been scammed by some lie that competition is needed. Or that rich people are needed.
I don’t think promoting these sentiments does anything but propagandise an “us vs them” mentality that is fundamentally toxic to the idea of communism.
“Four legs good, two legs bad” is all, I am gonna say.
I agree with you, but also the communist bad vs capitalist bad meme war and the corresponding comments are the only reason I’m still on the fediverse.
With no conservative presence to speak of, you get to see why no unity is possible between groups of any significant size. Leftists will continue to shatter into smaller groups and those groups will vie for dominance inside of the movement. Each group will develop purity tests to identify members.
Even amongst groups of capitalists, even amongst groups of communists, even amongst groups of lgbtq+ people and the sub groups to which they apply. Especially when those groups interact.
The human animal is amazing! The only thing most people agree on is violence is required to move society in any significant direction. That tells you everything you need to know about humans.
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the social Democrats enabled fascism the whole way; they literally had right wing paramilitaries kill their left wing opposition.
you clearly would rather be goose stepping
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“literally” lmao - spoiler they didn’t
The SPD endorsed the ‘lesser evil’ conservative candidate who went on to hand over power to Hitler.
They also killed a ton of communists, all of the above is probably why you have a soft spot for them
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Look up some Ernst Thalmann quotes.
feel free to provide them.
I don’t mind communists, just tankies.
Well I don’t like social democrats at all because they’re always contriving new lies and smears to divert attention from their awful pro-capitalist politics.
How do you force people to give according to their ability? What if they don’t want to?
This question comes from the “what if everyone just wants to do nothing” to justify the existence of a system in which if you are not able to work you die.
Everyone is guaranteed a job, so if they don’t want to then they will just have less money to go around, or maybe they wouldn’t even need to if what they did is automated. However, regardless of whether they work or not, they are guaranteed food and housing. So they just get to do whatever they want. In a communist system someone livelihood is not tied to a job.
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“A good example is [made up bullshit]”
Wow, very compelling.
Great reply, no worries they removed my comment so you can feel safe now.
Good. Go back to Reddit
I never was on reddit.
You’d like it
What happens when someone doesn’t pay taxes today?
They get elected President.
I think you are missing a lot of steps in between.
Then they can go live in a country where you can take from society and contribute nothing back.
I want to create a world where each person give according to their ability and take according to their need.
I don’t like the way that line is phrased.
This can very easily lead to overexploitation of all those who are honest and sincere, while helping those who can easily lie. How so?:-
I don’t need an air cooled room or even electricity at my house
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I don’t need to have good food, as is proven by me surviving 3+ years overpaying for shitty food
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I don’t need access to the Fediverse, or to be able to discuss things with people across the world
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I am able to work 13+ hours a day
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I am able to work in a place full of toxic fumes, until I die early because of it
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I am able to shut up while the politicians masquerading as engineers, dump all the consequences of their wrongdoings onto me
And guess what, so can you, but those who are good at lying, can easily convince the system otherwise.
So while I would want to live a better life, eat better food and do some work for myself, I can’t, because I can, “not do it”.In the end, it’s all up to execution and there will always be those, who would like to twist the words to get their way.
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Anybody have any meme community recommendations that are funny and not just communist propaganda
No. Communism killed a thousand peoples, that’s a state fact. If people want to try a more equally regime, create another. Communism is pure failure, disaster and genocide. So please, don’t.
Meanwhile capitalism caused both world wars and causes millions of excess deaths per year. Capitalism as a Suicide Cult
I agree, I despise the communists and fascist. They placed corruption on a new level and murdered everyone who disagreed.
It must be so easy being an anti communist: you can just say whatever vague and baseless bullshit you like and expect people to take you seriously
Vague and bullshit? My relatives that lived in the DDR will tell you to shove it.
Yup, vague and bullshit. “My uncle works at Nintendo” is not a compelling argument
Pretty sure people hate tankies because they defend dictators like Putin and Jinping, not because they want socialism.
When you start denying genocide, it doesn’t matter how good your economic policy is.
Anyway, Slava Ukraini.
Xi Jinping is not a dictator by any stretch of the word. The Communist Party of China enjoys some of the highest government approval rates in the world, by a long shot, according to western sources:
Notice how Russia’s government approval rate is low. As a tankie myself, this is easily explained by the fact that they’re not communists, and in fact the government is shitting on everything that communism did in the region in the past century. Ukraine had no war with Russia during Socialism, and in fact was saved from Nazi Extermination and thrived under Soviet Rule.
Since you care so much about Ukrainians:
Surely, seeing the horrifying demographic crisis taking place in Ukraine for rhe past 35 years coinciding with the dissolution of the Soviet Union, you condemn its contemporary capitalist government and want socialism back? If so, welcome aboard, comrade
Okay, but have you considered that the 90% of those 1.3B Chinese residents who like their government and want to keep it are simply brainwashed, ignorant, or stupid?
What if White People simply know better? What if there’s some kind of burden White People carry, where they’re socially obligated to go all around the world and politely inform the native populations that their lives are Bad Aktuly and they need to do things the White Way? What if imperialism is a moral imperative, because White People are just better at doing government than their non-White Peers?
Have you considered that, though? I’m just being realistic! I have science! Read the Bell Curve! Look at the brain pans! The Slavic Skull simply cannot contain the ideas necessary for a liberal democracy, so we have to bomb them until they behave. If you suggest otherwise, you’re actually doing genocide by not invading them.
Okay, but have you considered that the 90% of those 1.3B Chinese residents who like their government and want to keep it are simply brainwashed, ignorant, or stupid?
Silly tank E. The thought police, which are totally real (trust me bro), will come after any who dare express dissent. This is why we enlightened westerners with our Enlightenment™ values need to support the US invasion of China across the Taiwan Strait while also pretending it was actually China who struck first (just like the heckin’ unwholesome Vietcong 😡 did at the Gulf of Tonkin) and that Taiwan is actually a sovereign state fighting off an imperialist invader instead of a puppet government for the wholesome keanu chungus defenders of democracy.
Slobber Tie Won! Down with Zizzy Ping!
I see through your sarcasm. This is a Reddit-tier bannable offense. -100 Credit Score Points. Don’t make me report you to your landlord.
you’re actually doing genocide by not invading them
You need to come up with a more compelling defence in prelude to this line.
government is shitting on everything that communism did in the region in the past century
That is one of the problems independent of the type of ideology the government is based on.
Once it gets stable enough, you then see certain groups of people trying to tilt it some way to amass power.Although I don’t see in history, US being not in such a state. There was always someone amassing power.
Gotta love tankie cope graphs. “approval rating” in a country where dissent is criminal? Seems legit.
An approval rating is given for Russia too, with much stricter “criminal dissent” laws than China. Do you suspect that the western institution which made this graph is evil CPC propaganda? This data is literally portrayed in Statista, it doesn’t get more western capitalist than that.
Now, don’t forget I’m waiting for your condemnation of the capitalist atrocities against the Ukrainian population since 1990. Otherwise, to other commenters, you may appear as a dishonest propagandist leveraging Ukrainian suffering only to condemn things you already stood against.
When you start denying genocide, it doesn’t matter how good your economic policy is.
Perfect example of propagandized individuals hating communists because of propaganda.
I deny lots of genocides. For example, when Elon Musk talks about the “white genocide” I deny that. But somehow libs have gotten it in their heads that claims of genocide get to bypass all standards of evidence and fact-checking, because if you don’t immediately accept it without evidence, it means you’re a genocide denier, a bad person, basically a fascist who shouldn’t even be engaged with (conveniently averting the need to provide evidence). The state is more than happy to exploit this nonsense by putting out claims of genocide with zero credible evidence, because they know you’ll do this.
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No, I would like actual sources.
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Can I also get a recipe for chicken noodle soup?
You just asked an AI to assemble a list of sources, which you haven’t actually read or examined. Now I’m expected to go through each of them, putting in substantially more work in order to refute them. Work which you will most likely disregard anyway. You didn’t even bother to provide links, so apparently I’m supposed to hunt these documents down myself.
Give me two to three sources, that you have actually read, that specifically call it a genocide, that don’t come from the US government (or other Western governments), and also don’t rely on far-right crackpot Adrian Zenz.
I gave you the effort I thought you deserved 👍
if you don’t immediately accept it without evidence, it means you’re a genocide denier, a bad person, basically a fascist who shouldn’t even be engaged with (conveniently averting the need to provide evidence).
As usual, by failing to accept a claim made without evidence, I have proven that I don’t “deserve” real evidence. Funny how that works, isn’t it? I mean, if you think about it, if you were wrong, you’d never find out, since you never seriously look at the evidence.
Some of us actually practice something called, “critical thinking.”
Anyway, are you unaware of the fascist origins of “Slava Ukraini,“ or are you using it despite knowing better?
people hate tankies because they defend dictators
Broke: Defending Dictators
Woke: Regime Change
Around here we don’t fuck with Tankies. We only take you seriously if you’re on an aircraft carrier that just finished carpet bombing the Middle East.
Me when I get so mad that someone doesn’t like Xi Jinping that I prolapse
When your country is shit, that’s all you can really think about.
Y’all are both childish
Jinping
You fucking moron
Tankies are just authoritarians wearing a leftist outfit. It doesn’t matter what labels or symbols they claim, I wouldn’t consider them part of the left, and they shouldn’t be tolerated in leftist spaces either IMHO.
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Communist centrally planned economies suck. That’s how you end up with panicking factory and farm managers exaggerating their production to the state to not end up in the gulag. A better alternative could be petitioning the government for money to start a worker-owned co-op that produce things at quantities that people would actually want. Do that and keep the government democratic composed of different parties with socialist mindsets at their heart and things should be better for all without the baggage of authoritarianism.
Communist centrally planned economies suck.
Oh, hey. I know this one. It’s the reason we’re not allowed to do anything about Climate Change.
Imagine what will happen if a President Elizabeth Warren bans fracking in places like Texas, North Dakota, Ohio, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania; in Texas alone, by some estimates, 1 million jobs would be lost. Overall, according to a Chamber of Commerce report, a full ban would cost 14 million jobs—far more than the 8 million lost in the Great Recession. And the environment itself would be somewhat of a loser in this game—natural gas has done more to reduce emissions than all the greens’ efforts.
Across the world, green-backed policies have hurt the working class far more than the affluent rich who most enthusiastically embrace them. The militant Extinction Rebellion—which the online magazine Spiked has described as “an upper-middle-class death cult”—has tried to disrupt commuters in Britain in their drive to “save the planet” but has earned more angry contempt than support from harried workers. Though cast by the media as heroic outsiders, greens have historically clustered in elite academic, nonprofit, media, and corporate sectors. The influential Limits to Growth, published in 1972 by the Club of Rome, was backed by major corporate interests, led by Fiat’s Aurelio Peccei. The authors’ long-term vision, based on the notion that the planet was running out of resources at a rapid rate, was to create “a carefully controlled balance” that would restrict growth, particularly in advanced countries.
We aren’t allowed to plan anything. We aren’t allowed to regulate anything. We aren’t allowed to prosecute anyone above a certain income level. We aren’t allowed to unionize or collectively bargin, especially if we’re public employees. We’re not even allowed to directly vote for the office of the Presidency, because that’s Populism and we all know what happens when popularly elected governments start managing their own economic future.
A better alternative could be petitioning the government for money
Ah yes. Just ask your team of highly placed lobbyists to get Free Money From The Government to privatize the profits and socialize the costs. When has that ever gone wrong?
So, we just ignoring the tens of millions of deaths under communism?
Compared to the shitload of capitalism only this year?
authorian regime kills its citizen
“guys working together just does not work” ^^ this guy
Lol. Have fun searching the cosmos for a world where conscious beings only take what they need.
