Between the age of my account and the fact I pay for premium, if they ever ask for ID they can go fuck themselves and I’ll go back to as blockers and fresh accounts
Lol “paying for youtube”
nothing wrong with that.
you support the people you watch without having to see ads. also, comes with YT music.
it’s a pretty good deal
But then you end up giving Google even more information compared to using it logged out.
yeah, that is definitely a trade-off
It also monetarily feed into the youtube network effect of there being no other viable options. Maybe youtube becoming completely unprofitable for creators is a necessary evil so there becomes less and less incentive to put content there.
I mean yeah if everyone would coordinate. We’re such a small minority on here it doesn’t really do anything on its own. If we got the creators themselves onboard…
Look into browser Finger printing. The logged out parts does not do much nowadays.
Yeah, but having a Google account, tying payment to it, and having viewing history all tied to it is even worse. There’s a reason Microsoft wants people to use an account on their OS is tying stuff like extended support to it because a dedicated profile is still more reliable and accurate than trying to rely solely on finger printing.
One is so good you don’t even need to try to finger print because you already did all the work for them logging in.
I agree. All I am saying that in the limit where we all use services that respect privacy and stay away from big tech, we still have a major issue that we currently don’t have a solution for and is very hard to avoid or eliminate completely.
Yeah, but taking approach of its all pointless just give in isn’t good either.
Not paying and not using an account is ways to reduce how much is given to those companies.
Best way to support creators is the same way as with bands - buy their merch!
You guys pay for that ? No ads here on you tube
I mean, people pay for Netflix or Amazon or whatever, why is YouTube different? It’s my primary video platform and I watch more than 50 hours a week (I’m low balling that number to hell as well).
While paying is more convenient for me than breaking their shit, I’ll pay. Also means creators actually get paid for my views as well
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You know you’re gonna have to go elbow deep to hand them that flashlight. . ?
Lol do you pay for youtube?
Imagine YouTube telling you to submit ID to prove that your 20 year old account is 18+ lmao
Also, imagine living in a country pretending that it’s amazing while they treat their citizens like they do… United States of North Korea vibes
Reddit does if you are in the UK, and reddit marks loads of stuff suited to under 18s as NSFW. News about what Israel is doing in Palestine for example.
following the facebook method.
I’m slowly making peace with the thought of losing the internet as it is. Maybe it’ll become something broken you wade into from time to time, some sort of blinking, blabbering wasteland to scavenge valid, valuable information from and return to your oasis. Some people will stay trapped in there forever, but it’s useless to try to communicate with them.
So real
We can still pass flash drives around, at least until ID requirements come to file systems, ports, and peripherals.
Clippy stage 2: revive many aspects of the old web
Youtube/Google/Alphabet out of aaaaall the companies out there, should already have a mindblowing amount of info on 99% of its users. There’s no need at all to even ask for ID.
They want solid evidence for authorities, remember USA has gone full Nazi from the very top all the way down
Gotta support alternatives such as Peertube, Nebula… so there are nice places to find videos as YouTube becomes worse and worse.
I will use free tube as long as it functions. Wish my creators would go somewhere else.
My account is old enough to drink in most of the world. They better not try and age verify me lol.
The article says they take the age of your account into factor. You should read it.
I just don’t believe them. They will find a way to screw it up with AI, the same way they’ve screwed up youtube moderation.
The article also states that this system of age verification is already in place. Have you been asked to provide ID yet? No? Then you’re fine.
Again, you should read the article.
YouTube uses a pretty wide variety of signals from across your Google account, including the age of your account, the types of searches you’re making, the types of videos you’re watching, and which apps you’ve downloaded, to make this estimation.
Account age is one factor that will be considered. Who’s to say their AI won’t screw up weights for the other factors and decide that someone is a child because they primarily let their kids use their account (bad practice, but not unheard of from stressed parents)? What happens when you aren’t a youtuber with an audience that can get the attention of actual human beings?
Google has already made AI-related errors with moderating youtube. I will trust what they say after it’s been proven.
Just curious why is this entire thing even in the Android community? This is a privacy topic or a YouTube topic etc. There’s nothing about it that ties it to Android. Can we keep stuff like this out? It’s just one more topic that devolves into politics, scare speculation etc. Just read the comment threads if you need to see.
Exactly. People needs to know Android is not Google
when over half of the bug fixes and security patches come from Google, it’s a Google product.
and I’m saying that as an android user from /e/OS
Thats a google product but google apps and android are two diffrent product or atleast should be
Should be but at this point basically aren’t.
You can’t run AOSP on most phones and if you could you wouldn’t get the user experience most people expect from a phone.
Hard to escape Google unless you are willing to use a custom rom which is getting harder and harder to do with devices with unlockable bootloaders becoming rarer. Google also has a pretty big influence on the direction of Android.
Even GrapheneOS that is talked of often requires purchase of a Google phone.
I myself have degoogled android device without bootloader locked. I have multiple devices with stock and custom ROM. With adb or other GUI tools you can go 95% degoogled without causing any breakage
But, it not being 100% does show how Google is not Android is hard to make a reality for locked bootloaders and the influence it also can have on unlocked phones.
A phone having an unlockable bootloader doesn’t guarantee being able to flash a custom rom from one of the more trusted groups.
Sometimes it means having to rely on the work of one unknown person trying to port it over for the device, and not knowing if they snuck anything malicious.
Its just a really poor situation compared to desktop OS options that makes it hard to degoogle and also be secure. Since being more private from data collection and being secure can be different things. Right GrapheneOS is one of the few options that tries to offer both privacy without comprising on security.
Situation on mobile devices is worse than people think. These vendors are locking devices more everyday. We seriously need more than 2 mobile OS. Linux phone’s future is still unclear
Indeed mobile is so terrible. Hardware options terrible and at the mercy of OEMs and hacked together fan projects still reliant on Google contributions to Android, and available only on limited OEM phones. Which if an OEM decides to lock things down not like we can make our own phones like desktops.
We need linux phones but that is unlikely. I wish Valve running ARM for steam frame leads to them maybe in the future deciding to put on a Steam phone that runs Linux. But that’s a long shot and probably territory they dont want to enter dealing with mobile carriers.
Maybe it’s my preference of using older mid-range devices but unlocking the bootloader has been fine, the problem is some banking apps and inferior hardware drivers (worse wireless performance, stretched camera image, no control of flashlight brightness etc.)
I alredy quit youtube when commercial crap hit the fan. Never used Zuckerbergs surveillance anyway. Very happy to spend more time on my real life
i watch it, but it has to be adblock, otherwise it becomes intolerable.
Gonna be fun if they ask me to verify my age. My account is old enough to drink.
Yeah. I’ve never been asked but now I wonder if that’s why. Haven’t heard of anyone with a drinking aged account having to do this.
Quitting Reddit was hard in several ways.
Quitting D&D (because of WotC being assholes) sucked because I was an Eberron/Keith Baker fan and have a lot of money sunk into D&D.
But I don’t know if I could quit YouTube. If that happened, I’d try to find ways to hack my way around it. I might ask my favorite creators to migrate to other platforms. But if I had no options to get their content but to give YouTube my ID, I might honestly have to do it.
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I thought the days of needing a fake ID were decades behind me
Just like mom pants, fake IDs are back on the menu, boys!
Finally a legitimate use for generative ai: fabricating ID
Why quit D&D? Whether WotC is stinky or not, it’s just books and resources you can get anywhere… So acquire the books in ways that don’t support WotC and have the best of both worlds, no?
- I wouldn’t want to encourage others to patronize WotC. (And, if I’m running a 5e campaign - which I did for a short time - players who want to play are going to want books even if only the PHB.) So I wouldn’t want to run 5e. I might play 5e as a player if invited. But I’m kindof a “forever GM.”
- Yeah, I’m good with acquiring stuff in ways that doesn’t support WotC. I don’t consider buying used to be permissable, however. If I buy used, that’s one used copy that won’t be available to someone else who may instead resort to buying new from WotC. And WotC profits directly from DM’s Guild. Piracy is the only way I’d be ok with it. (And if I don’t want to run 5e, and given that I already have all the core books, the only WotC content I’d be interested in pirating would be Eberron stuff. If I wanted to support Keith Baker without supporting WotC/DM’s Guild, I could just pirate and join Baker’s Patreon. Assuming I can find a good place to pirate that stuff from, of course.)
- I specifically do want to participate in TTRPG ecosystems that are more explicitly dedicated to more sane licensing schemes and have very explicitly Ulysses Pact’ed themselves in no-takebacksies ways. Like maybe Paizo/Pathfinder 2e for instance. (I’m currently between groups… and have yet to acquire the PF2e books… and honestly am enjoying a bit of a hiatus from GMing… but when I get back to it, I’d love to do either PF2e or… I dunno. Something not 5e. Even though the 5e system is pretty decent, I think.)
- There was a short period of time during which I thought WotC was backing down after the OGL 2.0 debacle, and if they hadn’t immediately proved themselves 100% evil with the Pinkerton fiasco, I would have ended my boycott. But they did, so my boycott remains.
- I haven’t seen the D&D movie, nor do I intend to. And I’m not just boycotting WotC. I’m boycotting Hasbro. So, no Transformers movies either.
Search “dnd 2024 phb anyflip” or replace “phb 2024” with any other book
Look for urls that look like https://online.anyflip.com/mldog/ynbn/mobile/ (this example is the 2024 phb), the “online.” and “/mobile” is what you should look for
arr free stuff *soyjaks pointing*
Who on youtube are you that attached to, out of curiosity? I definitely follow a few creators that would hurt to lose as well, really just looking for recs haha
Well, I guess just to list off who I watch frequently, kinda sorted into categories:
TTRPG:
- Critical Role - Really famous. Live-play of TTRPGs. It’s really a huge investment of time to keep up with it, though.
Just people I have parasocial relarionships with:
- Any Austin - Kinda “philosophy of gaming” is how I’d describe his latest content. I’ve been a huge fan of his for many many years and am way more invested in him than the content he currently makes. But he’s really fascinating. His alternate channel “The Excellent Man From Minneapolis” is music he writes/records. Good stuff as well IMO.
- Memoria - Gaming entertainment content. Found her when she was featured on Austin’s channel.
- gl;hf - A podcast that Austin and Memoria do together. It’s about everything and nothing.
Long form deep dive investigative and social commentary stuff:
- OKI’s Weird Stories - Cool expos on things like conspiracy theories and cults.
- Fredrik Knudson - Similar cool expos on things like gaming communities, fandoms, niche infamous figures, scientific experiments, etc.
- Folding Ideas - Somewhere between expos and social commentary. Does stuff about flat earthers, gold, cryptocurrency, etc.
- Contrapoints - Insightful and really well-edited/highly-prodiced left-wing social commentary stuff.
- Philosophy Tube - Quite similar to Contrapoints but different. I’d imagine if you like one, you’d like both.
- Munecat - Also similar to Contrapoints and Philosophy tube.
- Innuendo Studios - Maybe discontinued, but really really good source for info on how the alt-right “works” and how to fix (particularly American) fascism.
Tech/hacking:
- Ben Jordan - Stuff about privacy, police tech, fighting scraping for gen-ai training, etc. Informative.
- Marcin Plaza - Hobbyist mobile computing device prototyping. Quite entertaining as well.
- James Channel - Fucking hillarious. Mostly game system modding content, but way funnier than that makes him sound.
Satanism:
- The Satanic Grotto - A small satanist group based in Kansas that made the national news big time not too long ago holding a “black mass” at the state capitol. I’m just fascinated by all the legal fallout of the whole thing. And… I think the Satanic Grotto is the good guys. “Part of the solution” if you will.
- Behemoth X - Just really dark and atmospheric content about rituals to commune with demons. Dude 100% believes demons are real and powerful and he does blood sacrifices to them and talks about what wisdom he claims they’ve shared with him. Also life advice. Lol. Really interesting. Only major downside to the guy: he’s really leaned into using AI art in his videos lately. It’s pretty cringe.
Other creepy stuff:
- Tales From The Trip! - Substance use trip reports. Only bad trip reports.
- Night Mind - Essays on horror media. Mostly video games and ARGs.
- Nexpo - Similar to Night Mind, but occasionally does stories about grisly murders or creepy cults.
- blameitonjorge - Similar to the above, but with a lot of focus on lost media.
- Nick Crowley - Mostly creepy internet and TV history rabbit holes.
Vidja gaming content:
- Summoning Salt: History of speedrun world records. Way more interesting than it sounds.
- Pointcrow - Bit of a guilty pleasure. Popular Twitch streamer who does speedruns and challenge runs and stuff. Quite entertaining, but a bit sophmoric.
I’m sure I could think of more if I thought for a bit. I should mention that I don’t usually log in to YouTube. I keep my subscribed-to list in NewPipe on my phone. But I also do a fair amount of just searching by topic or happening across YouTube content on Lemmy or Hackaday.
Subscribing to Nebula will be a good start. Quite a few of the channels you mentioned are there already and more keep getting added.
Oh awesome breakdown thank you! We have quite a few in common actually, looking forward to checking the others out! It’s funny, Any Austin was actually the first person that came to my mind. I feel like anything he talks about he just breathes so much life into the subject
It’s wild to meet Any Austin fans in the wild. I was watching his stuff and supporting him on Patreon when he was really obscure. Now that he’s really popular, it’s a whole different thing.
Well hey thanks for helping him get off the ground! I forget which, but one of his “unremarkable places” videos went viral and that’s how I first got on board
Any Austin is great
Was that speed runner historian the guy who had a massive falling out recently? I only heard about it in passing.
Point Crow or Summoning Salt? Either way, I hadn’t heard anything.
I do know Point Crow used to do a lot of content of games like Breath of the Wild with mods that would do things like multiplayer mode or “the floor is lava”. And Nintendo recently got YouTube to mass delete lots of modded Nintendo game content. (I don’t think mods of Nintendo games are even illegal, but Nintendo is known for calling the perfectly legal illegal.) And Point Crow’s channel was pretty hard hit because that made up a lot of his content.
Man. Maybe I should consider boycotting YouTube. Heh.
Edit: Oh. Speedrunner historian guy. You’re asking about Summoning Salt. I can’t read. Yeah, I don’t know anything, but I’ll look into it. You’re not thinking of Karl Jobst, are you? He was sued by Billy Mitchell, but Mitchell is 100% provably in the wrong. And a liar. And a scammer. And a cheating cheater who cheats. (If you aren’t familiar with Mitchell, I recommend starting with the documentary “King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters”.) Also, unless you’ve heard something I haven’t, I would recommend Jobst’s channel. It’s mostly about cheaters in e-sports and speedrunning.
Guess I need to get off of GMail more urgently.
I have Tuta, it’s good enough. Lots of storage for the price compared with others.
Tuta
So, can’t use that with Thunderbird, I suppose?
Well, at least the open source client would be useful.True, using Thunderbird would be a useful thing to be able to do. I’m always on the lookout for more or less useful alternatives, even to Tuta.
Although the encryption is a useful feature, I don’t really expect that from mail.
And if were doing internal communications with a company with that level of security and privacy requirement, I would be using their on-premises mail server.I have been considering Proton, mostly. My main goal being, not randomly losing access to my mail account due to some AI bs.
Though I am not sure if they might end up requiring stuff like “Video ID”.And if it comes to paying for a service, I will also start comparing it to the cost of a domain name and a static IPv6 address, because I already have plans to run a server.
Fair. I’d love to hear why someone down-voted you. I don’t respect these down’n’dashers. 🫤
Maybe someone who has been de-federated from my instance, considering I don’t see a downvote.
Hmm, I changed the settings in my Lemmy client to see split votes (down and up votes), and there’s no down votes, but also no up votes, as if you perhaps removed your own up vote from your posts. 😅
Someone down voted my comment though for some reason. Gosh. I don’t mind the votes, I just want to have a discussion… That’s why we’re here, isn’t it. At least why I’m here.
That’s what I said about my IP. Now I can’t watch YouTube. I mostly just use PeerTube
What do you even do there? I can almost never find anything to watch on PeerTube.
Oh, me? I do more posting than viewing, honestly. If we all do the same, it solves this concern
If you mostly care about tech and especially Linux and Open Source there is some good content there. Other than that, good content is unfortunately few and far between.
Also good for homesteading/permaculture and anarchism it’s not all tech
For me there are actually some people making videos I like. For example thelinuxexperiment, Veronica explain, privacy guides yeah not much though
Gravitytube is starting to mirror a good handful of youtubers
Yeah it doesn’t have much content atm.
So how about we populate it?
Record videos about your interests. Install kdenlive and edit your videos. Post them to PeerTube.
I don’t understand what you do on YouTube.
I don’t enjoy it. I’ve never enjoyed it. I truly don’t understand how people can spend time watching it
You dont understand how people dont like infinite video content? I guess you also dont understand why people enjoy libraries too.
Yeah, I’d quit watching YouTube videos had the audacity to question my age and try to verify it in a way which is hostile to one’s own privacy.
Same with blue sky. They hit me up with an age check.
Never looked back.
