If you think anarchists are controllwd by the cia and designed to split the left. Why, instead of playing to there cards, dont we work with them for the parts we agree on e.g. a revolution.
Anarchists both:
- Oppose all authority.
- Are also CIA agents.
Another solid piece of logic from the red fascists.
Its because anarchism isn’t seen as a valid threat or opposition to the US empire and because of it’s ineffectiveness against capitalism, the CIA/FBI can use the promotion of anarchism to split the left, silence revolutionary activity, and attack Marxist-Leninism, an actual working ideology. People that claim to be anarchists who take it upon themselves either in real life or online to bash “tankies”, AES states, etc are doing the current state’s work for free.
red fascists
Deeply unserious term and proves my point lmao
I appreciate your response mate, I read through what you linked and I’m disappointed by its lack of depth and missing historical analysis but I enjoyed how it was written. What’s your take on Rojava today? Seems like a good, real life, counter point.
Here’s an article with an analysis on Rojava that shows its not a good, real life, counter point.
That was a much better read, still very much digesting it so I wont share my opinion yet. Thanks for the link 😁 got any foundational books that better asserts the necessities of a Vanguard party? I suppose anarchism is an easy punching bag but I’m yet to be fully convinced of the political side of marxist-leninism despite being fully commie-pilled economically.
Yeah as we can see Rojava is a state and as far as states go imo doesn’t deserve undying support. My solidarity lies with the people of the region in their struggle against imperialism, not in the leadership’s ideals and use of authority.
For questions about the vanguard and why socialism is a better proven model both politically and economically I recommend State and Revolution by Lenin.
If you would be curious what decentralization looks like under a Socialist state, this video explains Vietnam’s recent government restructure to allow for more self-regional control in it progression towards communism and the “withering away” of the state.
Guys stop killing eachother while we still do have a common enemy.
The meme Is correct since that Isnt anarchism, there Is a real anarchism wich Is very good.
Ik this Is a marxist instance but real communists dont fight anarchists, since actual anarchist have the same goals as them
I know this is a tankie instance so I didn’t downvote but I’m surprised again and again how ignorant tankies are about the concept of prefiguration or “unity of means and ends” or “building the new in the shell of the old” or what ever you want to call it. It’s not about the state vanishing over night but about building a dual power that will fight the authority of the state. It’s the same type of people who say anarchists can’t read that have no idea about actual anarchist theory. Do better. Leave this strawman behind. It never was true and didn’t age well.
So building a rival state?
Build a stateless, hierarchy-critical, egalitarian society that rivals the hegemony of states
Where?
Take Rojava as an example: they built a system of councils that didn’t yield any real power until their day came (2011 if I’m not mistaken) and after the revolution, there was no power vacuum but this decentralized system took over. Same idea is anarcho syndicalism: they do union work now but are ready to run the factory/company when the opportunity is there.
Take [irrelevant microstate with same interests in the region as the USA] as an example:
Would you say the same about the Zapatistas? Or the Makhnovshchina. They fought against the Bolsheviks so in your black white thinking, they are evil, right? But back to West Asia: the common interest they share with the USA is to fight the IS or Islamism in general. The USA supported islamists when they fought against communists. Isn’t this “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” logic that made the US support Islamists until they didn’t and now Rojava got a little support but that doesn’t mean any ideological alignment as you seemed to imply.
Also, it’s not a state but I don’t expect tankies to get that.
Would you say the same about the Zapatistas?
Not sure, to be honest, I would have to read more about the Zapatistas. They absolutely are a micronation with no geopolitical power whatsoever, though.
Or the Makhnovshchina. They fought against the Bolsheviks so in your black white thinking, they are evil, right?
I never called Rojava evil, and I don’t think they’re evil, so don’t put those words in my mouth. Regarding Makhnovshchina: if they weren’t capable of enduring a civil war-destroyed red army, how were they supposed to survive Nazi genocide? How is a loose set of preindustrial farmers going to stand a chance against total extermination by an industrial power? And no, Vietnam isn’t an example because Vietnam was well funded and armed by the Soviets. No Soviet weapons, no Vietnam.
Sorry you’re getting downvoted by the tankies.
I didn’t expect otherwise but thanks for your empathy
Jesus Christ, get a grip. They’re just down votes.
NERD FIGHT!
Naive idealism is sweet but not productive.
@bubblybubbles “…in the Russia of to-day it is not at all necessary to express your dissension in word or act to become subject to arrest; the mere holding of opposing views makes you the legitimate prey of the de facto supreme power of the land, the Tcheka, that almighty Bolshevik Okhrana, whose will knows neither law nor responsibility.”
1922
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/goldman/works/1922/bolsheviks-shooting-anarchists.html@bubblybubbles Tankies do hate anarchists.
Yeah it’s pretty obvious with how even the most basic of pro-anarchist comments in here are downvoted by them.
Can’t expect anything else from people who will shoot you in the back during a revolution
Anarchist in their most pure form lmao
