• Feyd@programming.dev
      311·
      13 days ago

      I dunno that seems very compatible with the following that was said in the CEO statement.

      AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off.

      Also here is a link to the posts https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115740500373677782

      Also, the dev says the following and I think they have a point.

      I’m not asking for faith in our direction - the thing I love about the Firefox community is how open, honest, and technical it is.

      But I do ask that you don’t have the opposite of faith. Like, try not to be determined that we’re going to do the wrong thing here.

      • TehPers@beehaw.orgEnglish
        211·
        13 days ago

        try not to be determined that we’re going to do the wrong thing here.

        There’s a lot Mozilla has done right, but there’s a lot they haven’t done right as well. These days, the cynical view has proven itself to be more reliable in general, so it’s hard not to apply it here as well.

        That being said, FF has supported AI chatbots for a while and I haven’t seen it come up once in my browser beyond when they said “this is a thing now”. But this has also been a good opportunity to explore alternatives, so I’m trying out Zen now (ff-based still).

      • Nate Cox@programming.devEnglish
        184·
        13 days ago

        “Can easily turn off” implies that it ships to you on.

        Honestly, asking us to assume that every action comes from a place of good will just makes me doubt them even more. You earn that kind of trust, you don’t ask for it; and if they don’t have it they should be asking hard questions about why.

        They are a company that used to be about independent choice but are effectively reliant on Google (a privacy nightmare) to be solvent, and they’re now putting their bets into being “a modern AI browser”. Nothing about that tells me I should just trust them.

      • MotoAsh@piefed.socialEnglish
        12·
        12 days ago

        Something easily turned off is distinctly not opt in. They’re still lying to everyone.

        Earlier today I found a fucking AI feature automatically turned on… Those idiots need to get their shit straight and fast if they want to remain relevant.

    • ceoofanarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      8·
      12 days ago

      Maybe but I although critical of some recent firefox actions think its possible given the og statement it is a clarification from a somewhat vague statement that was taken in the worst possible way by some and posted again and again often by people not even reading beyond the headline.

    • Alaknár@piefed.socialEnglish
      13·
      13 days ago

      They already said as much two or three months ago, but sure, believe that everybody is out to get you via forced AI.

    • SmoochyPit@lemmy.ca
      20·
      13 days ago

      Yeah, that’d be like the web browser equivalent of going into the Windows registry editor and changing a value in there. Like, it’s there, but unless you already know what you’re looking for, it’s not really an option.

    • Alaknár@piefed.socialEnglish
      2·
      13 days ago

      Is anything related to AI even in yet? Or is it that they just placed the flag in there for future use, but no features are in?

  • BurgerBaron@piefed.socialEnglish
    321·
    13 days ago

    Yeah. I’m still pissed off dev hours get wasted on this shit instead of, idk, HDR support? Surround sound audio?

  • XLE@piefed.socialEnglish
    212·
    13 days ago

    They say a switch will be built in. There is no switch yet. Which means the deluge of little popups about AI tab grouping and the “look at Perplexity” messages are not going away until these changes are actually released.

  • Kichae@lemmy.caEnglish
    121·
    12 days ago

    This is good enough for me. This means the Firefox code base will not get so integrated with AI features that forkers cannot remove them, and that was my primary concern.

  • ramenu@lemmy.mlEnglish
    92·
    12 days ago

    Yawn. People have been saying “Screw MozIlla, I’m switching browsers now!”

    Nothing new. Just disable the feature like you do with telemetry lol.

    • Jack@lemmy.caEnglish
      6·
      12 days ago

      Anyone know why LibreWolf isn’t in the default Debian repositories? I trust Debian - I’m not going to add a repository to get LibreWolf.

      Until it’s available from a default Debian repo, I’ll keep going thru my list of all the garbage I have to go switch off in Settings and about:config every time I install Firefox for someone.

    • Tonava@sopuli.xyz
      2·
      11 days ago

      I switched to Waterfox immediately after they released the first news. Having to disable the AI stuff in about:config was already annoying enough, so I have no trust in whatever they claim anymore.

  • imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    6·
    12 days ago

    Opt-in you say? How about RMB click with AI chatbot that you can disable by clicking “Disable AI bot” there? Wasn’t opt-in first. And, how is that in aboug:config .ml. list contains tons of entries set to True, rather than False? How in the fuck is it opt-in? It has been opt-out and in order to opt-out most of it, you would need an intermediate/advanced user. There was no toggle switch on a sidebar for normies to see and click. I call BS on this statement.

  • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
    4·
    13 days ago

    They really should have come out with a local llm poduct seperate from firefox that is compatible with using it out of box.