Ukraine war latest: EU agrees €90bn loan for Ukraine as Putin tells BBC the West is ‘making Russia the enemy’ - BBC News

    • d00phy@lemmy.world
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      2 天前

      Came here for this. Yeah, you’re the enemy because you invaded another country, and have been trying to gaslight the rest of the world about it ever since. In fairness, though, the gaslighting has worked on one particular idiot.

    • Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com
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      2 天前

      While I don’t necessarily disagree, I wonder if you apply the same standards and suggest economic sanction to the USA and EU given their recent support of genocide in Palestine, or historical invasions such as Iraq or the bombing of Libya

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        13 小时前

        You can call out hypocrisy if you wish, there’s certainly alot of it, but most of what I see you doing is running interference for a dictator with dreams of conquest and it makes you come across as a hypocrite yourself. If the US invades Venezuela and other nations rush military aid to them like Europe has rushed aid to Ukraine, it would not bother me even a little bit.

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          12 小时前

          I’m not complaining about military aid here, I’m complaining about the rearming of the EU. I don’t want 5% of GDP to be taken away from healthcare, pensions and education and being spent in the military industrial complex when the far right is about to rule half of Europe

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        1 天前

        I would love to see sanctions against Israel and anyone who aids in the genocide of Gaza. I see no difference at all between the actions of Israel, and those of Russia. They should be treated the same.

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          Good, I’m glad we agree that the genocide deserves sanctions for EU, USA and Israel. Hopefully then we also agree that the rearming of the EU is undesirable and dangerous, and EU citizens should push for disarmament and for a breaking of relationships with USA and Israel, and USA citizens should do the same in their country, as is said about Russian citizens

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            1 天前

            The EU has every right to defend itself against acts of aggression by a hostile neighbor…just like Palestinians do. Until countries like Israel, the US and Russia start acting like civilized nations…no one around them is safe.

            • Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com
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              1 天前

              But EU is foremost an invader. We’ve seen it with Libya, Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan, and more covertly in post-colonies in Africa by countries such as France or Belgium

              • Aljernon@lemmy.today
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                13 小时前

                The French and the Belgians have certainly been dickheads but claiming that “the EU is foremost an invader” is the most Russian psyop bootlicker nonsense I’ve heard today. Tell me who the Poles have invaded lately? The Estonians? The Slovakians? Consider that Serbia who has sworn to never ever ever join NATO is eager to join the EU.

                • Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com
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                  12 小时前

                  Tell me who the Poles have invaded lately? The Estonians? The Slovakians?

                  Coincidental that you’d choose three countries that belonged to the peaceful Socialist eastern block, quite revealing about the nature of communism, don’t you think?

              • Archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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                1 天前

                Lol! The whataboutism is off the charts. Anything to deflect from Russia’s current actions…right?

                Why aren’t you also advocating for Russia to disarm, if you think the EU should?

                • Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com
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                  17 小时前

                  I do advocate for Russia to disarm given The EU and USA doing it.

                  Not about whataboutism, I just don’t want my taxes to go to killing children in some underdeveloped country as they inevitably will if EU rearms.

                  • Archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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                    7 小时前

                    Unless you can stop Russia first, disarming the EU will only get more children killed.

      • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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        1 天前

        A handful of politicians still honoring ancient contracts is not the same as literally invading a sovereign nation. Not even close.

        Call me when the US or EU actually invade Gaza themselves. Until then Russia is FAR worse.