• YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Name one good thing we got from America that couldn’t have been done without them and that somehow balances out their pillaging and murdering around the world.

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      What does “that couldn’t have been done without them” mean? That a different human could have been Einstein if Nazis murdered him? That Japan and Nazis would have eventually been beaten by someone or something else anyway? That is such a broad and hard to define “gotcha” that any argument is useless.

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        4 days ago

        The Nazis were defeated by the Soviet Union. Hitler already lost when the Americans arrived. Yes, it would probably have lasted longer, but it’s ridiculous that the US still claims credit for this today. American propaganda, that’s all.

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          Most US soldiers in the 1940s and 50s thanked and credited the Soviets for dying to help save Europe from Hitler. The saying is “Americans built it, British paid for it, Soviets died for it.”

          And now if you say the genuine fact, people think you’re the one who’s a victim to propaganda.

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              More Soviets died than Americans or British. British paid for the weapons and ships used to win the war. America built the weapons and ships used to win the war.

              Saying the the fact that this happened is the fact, not the saying. Context clues.

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                But it is still misleading. During Stalingrad, the decisive battle of World War II, Lend-Lease accounted for about 5 percent of Soviet production. During the Wehrmacht’s last large-scale offensive operation, the tank battle at Kursk mid 1943, Lend-Lease deliveries were still below 10 percent. It was only later that Lend-Lease accounted for 10-12 percent of military equipment. The only exception here is trucks.

                Tanks: Total Soviet production: approx. 105,000, Lend-Lease tanks (USA + UK): approx. 12,000 Aircraft: Soviet production: approx. 135,000, Lend-Lease aircraft: approx. 14,000 Infantry weapons & artillery: Almost exclusively Soviet production

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        I thought you meant “technological advances”. But yeah, for the sake of argument: Einstein’s genius would’ve been found elsewhere, again and again, perhaps in some slum in India for instance, and the Nazis were mostly beaten by the commies, lol, America just joined at the end because letting them take over Europe would’ve been bad for the power balance for them…

        For one who considers life to be sacred (even if you’re not white!), is there anything that is worth American imperialism? The genocide of the natives? The enslavement of Africans? The constant invasions and destabilisation of nations? Certainly not, right? Other countries live okay without having to murder, rape and pillage, even under American control!

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          So there is nothing that would not happen without the USA (or anything, anyone) then, when even one of the most unique humans is replaceable?