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jankforlife@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 1 day ago

One of these is an authoritarian imperialist empire, the other is China

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One of these is an authoritarian imperialist empire, the other is China

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  • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    China is still bad too

    Russia is still bad too

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      Who good?

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        No good. Only interests.

      • killingspark@feddit.org
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        You know that weirdo anarchist that keeps rambling about all nations being bad and by nature imperialistic constructs? They might be the good one

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    Tbf China claiming Taiwan is pretty bad.
    Imagine if US claimed Hawaii is theirs.

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      It’s more akin to the US claiming the ex confederate southern states (which it does), and other countries being “strategically ambiguous” and selling the Confederate remnants weapons and promoting their independence while officially recognizing the US/Washington

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        Greenland as strategig against Rusia and China is anyway a stupid argument, due tthat Alaska is separated by 4 km from Rusia, in cold winters you can go walking from the US to Rusia, and China has only commercial trading interests with other countries, not imperialistic ones, like this orange piece of shit.

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    venezuela.

    shit, the entirety of south america.

    • Jankatarch@lemmy.world
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      And middle east and some chunks of Africa and few strategic locations in far east and…

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    B-b-b-b-b-but China might, possibly, at some point in the future, try to reclaim Taiwan! Both sides! Two things true at once! Me speculating about something possibly happening is the exact same as the thing actually happening!

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      Hasn’t China stated that they intend to reclaim Taiwan? Don’t they claim Taiwan as part of their country right now?

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        Yes, as they have since the war, just as Taiwan claims China. Your point?

        Peace with Taiwan has been maintained for nearly a hundred years, with a mutual understanding that nobody would try to force the issue too hard (look up “strategic ambiguity”). In recent years, the US has been recklessly deviating from that understanding and now people treat the status quo as “Chinese aggression,” because of propaganda.

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          Taiwan isn’t claiming the mainland anymore since the 90s

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            Source? It’s in their constitution.

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        There is no “claim” to be made and there is no “reclaim” to be had against such a claim.

        Taiwan is and always has been recognized as part of the country of China. That’s why the losing army in the civil war went there - because it was part of the country they were a party of.

        China has stated for 70 years that the island province of Taiwan will be integrated into the rest of the governance of the country. For 50 years it has explicitly stated it will be integrated peacefully, because the CPC recognizes that doing it forcefully would actually be contradictory and create a constant guerilla warfare situation as well as invite the world’s militaries to intervene. The CPC has no intention of forcing Taiwan to integrate except if Taiwan works with foreign governments to establish a substantial and real threat to the security of the mainland.

        If China waits long enough, the Western economies will collapse and Taiwan will very quickly and easily realize that the West just can’t support them anymore and when they look to see who they depend on for nearly everything, and who their relatives are and who their dominant trading partner and who can protect them militarily, it’s going to be an easy process of integrating the provincial government of Taiwan into the government of the mainland - especially since the CPC is committed to One Country Two System meaning the provincial government of Taiwan can continue operating with the same structure and same politicians and same processes as it has now.

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        China seeks to reclaim Taiwan as part of China for the same reason Taiwan seeks to reclaim the mainland as part of China.

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    There should be an Australian guy who is still just hating on China in the 2nd panel anyway.

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    Chinas military stays in and around china as far as i know…

    But the us is everywhere interfering in everyones business

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      I do know China meddles in Africa a lot. I think because they are interested in resources, maybe mining or oil?

      I read in the past that a lot of the Sudanese groups that pillage and fight with a lot of South Sudan are funded and given firearms or something by China or Chinese groups. I think this was more prominent around 15 years ago when South Sudan was trying to be independently recognized.

      Side note: I also remember reading that George Clooney used to fund some kind of satellite thing that helped South Sudanese track movements of North Sudanese so they could preemptively avoid attack.

      China definitely meddles. But yeah, probably nowhere near the degree the US does.

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        Gyude Moore: “China in Africa: An African Perspective” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5uzxV8ub9k

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        Are you comparing economic collaboration with installing military bases?

        China has exactly one foreign military base. It’s in South Africa. They are very happy with it and there’s no contention.

        By contrast, US military bases in Japan are notorious for raping, kidnapping, and other abuses of locals.

        No. China does not also “meddle” in the rest world.

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        I do know China meddles in Africa a lot

        Oh you know that? That’s something you know? How exactly do you know that? Did it come to you in a dream?

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    Can we just have like a couple of years of everyone just getting on with their own shit

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    China is very vocal about taiwan being theirs.

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      Do you have a reasonable explanation of why it should be the US’s and not theirs?

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        Can’t it just be Taiwan’s?

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          Taiwan exists only because the US intervened to stop the fascists it supported in the civil war from being wiped out, so it’s necessarily a US protectorate/puppet.

          And to circle back again to your question, no it couldn’t be; they killed the people who were there before they moved in.

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      It is theirs. If you support Taiwanese separatism then you should be consistent and support all separatist movements. There’s plenty in Europe you should support them.

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      Probably because it clearly is

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    Wtf of course china is authoritarian. China is all about total surveillance and total control by one party.

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      I’m sure glad it isn’t libertarian or it would have been overrun by bears decades ago

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      Imagine being so utterly delusional to think that number of parties has anythign to do with how democratic the country is.

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    It’s possible for two things to be true at once.

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      • Or neither
      • Or one
      • Or the other
      • Next time make an actual point instead of blurting out thought-terminating clichés
    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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      It’s possible for you to not talk solely in rote, word for word, recitation of thought terminating cliches, and yet you don’t.

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      It’s also possible to try using your brain instead of just regurgitating imperial propaganda uncritically, but here we are

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        Could you restate this?

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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          like fix the grammar?

          • freagle@lemmy.ml
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            “try using whatever your brain instead of”

            Does not parse

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              I was gonna be snarkier, and forgot to delete whatever :)

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      I would love for you to actually make a claim rather than this meaningless bullshit.

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      True.

      1. European nations gleefully join with USAmerica-led invasions against other countries and talk about Freedom n Democracy
      2. But they think it’s against Freedom n Democracy when USAmerica just mentioned an invasion directed against them

      Both true

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      The World isn’t the West. China is an enemy of choice for the West due to racism, otherwise it poses no threat.

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        China is a threat to Africa, trying to buy land for military bases from African countries. China is constantly trying to expand and dominate its culture. If that isn’t the definition of imperialism, I don’t know what is.

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          It must be so nice being an anti-communist. You can just make up whatever unsourced bullshit you like and expect people to believe it

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            I am pro communism. China is not communist, it is authoritarian and state-capitalist.

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              I wonder what the alternative to authoritarian is and why it involves getting overrun by bears

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              And yet you accept anti-communist slander as true without question.

              Have you ever, even just once, asked yourself where those accusations come from? Who made them? Who propagated them? Why they did?

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              No one is claiming China achieved communism, we just believe its policies reflect an attempt at building it. It’s also silly to slander a socialist state as “authoritarian” if you have read the bare minimum of Engels. If you’re earnest on supporting communism I encourage you to look into the compatible left and seek non western perspectives more broadly.

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              Is China State Capitalist?

              • The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee.
              • Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
              • Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values?
              • Didn’t China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn’t it liberalize its economy? Is China’s drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies?
              • Is the CPC committed to communism?
              • The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook
              • The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism?
              • Tsinghua University- Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics real socialism, or is it state Capitalism?
              • Isn’t China revisionist for having a capitalist sector of the economy, and working with capitalists? Why isn’t it fully planned like the USSR was?
              • Castro on why both China and Vietnam are socialist countries.
              • Roderic Day - China has billionaires.
              • What is socialism with Chinese characteristics (SWCC)?
              • How is SWCC not revisionist? How is it any different from Gorbachev’s market reforms?, 2
              • Domenico Losurdo - is China state capitalist?, 2
              • Did Lenin say anything about Market Socialism, or productivism?
              • Vijay Prashad - Is China capitalist?
              • Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019.
              • China cracks down on billionaires - Ben Norton interviews Ian Goodrum
              • Do capitalists control the communist party? No, pic
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          You clearly don’t know. I suggest you read about France’s parasitic relationship to Central and Western Africa that continues to this day, it even controls the issuance of the currency for eight West African nations and six Central African nations. Nothing China does even in your imagined worst case scenario comes close. And that’s just France.

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          No sources for that claim of course, as usual.

          To my knowledge the only military base China has in Africa is the one in Djibouti, and literally every country who can afford to have a base there has a base there.

          If that isn’t the definition of imperialism, I don’t know what is.

          Indeed, you don’t have a clue what it is. Try looking up “unequal exchange”, or better yet reading a book on the subject. Lenin’s Imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism and Fanon’s How Europe underdeveloped Africa are good reads on the subject.

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          orly? https://jasonhickel.substack.com/p/is-china-doing-colonialism-in-africa

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          If that isn’t the definition of imperialism, I don’t know what is.

          Yeah, its clear you have no clue what that is. Trade and development are not imperialism.

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          Anything’s possible when you make shit up

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      It’s possible for your entire hand to fit in your ass

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        Oh yeah? PROVE IT

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          I can’t, I have large hands and a small ass

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      thx you filled my liberal bingo card for this week :)

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        ‘Liberal’ really just does mean anyone you disagree with, huh?

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              O7

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          No, I usually use this term to describe people who e.g. use cookie cutter sentences which just empower the powers that oppress us and which stay in the frame of the general western (especially EU-centric) propaganda doctrine.

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          Wow, another word for word recitation from the book of tedious shitlib cliches.

          Are you actually capable of forming a sentence of your own? Or just repeating the ones you’ve had programmed into you?

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            Covfefe, authoritarian, Ruthkanda forever, if Kamala had won we’d be having brunch

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          You suck at this

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