cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/49224731
China’s ambassador to Australia has urged Canberra to prepare for dealing with a “reunified China”, declaring Chinese people “will not forgive” countries that seek to obstruct Beijing’s push to bring Taiwan under its control.
In remarks that frame reunification as inevitable and resistance as unforgivable, Xiao Qian likened Taiwan’s status to that of Tasmania and warned that any attempt of “compromising or openly distorting” Beijing’s one-China principle would constitute a retreat from prior commitments and erode trust.
He said Australia could not keep reaping the benefits of trade with China while seeking to block reunification, signalling economic consequences for resisting Beijing’s aims.
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Mr Xiao also lashed a recent [Australian] Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade statement that described China’s military and coast guard drills around Taiwan as “deeply concerning, destabilising and risk inflaming regional tensions”, and reiterated that Canberra opposed any unilateral attempt to change the status quo.
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He also cautioned governments, including Australia’s, against pursuing dialogue on Taiwan unless they were committed to reunification.
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They wanna do without our tasty tasty beef, go nuts. They can have overpriced and underquality beef from the US that’s been rubbed under JFK Jr’s nutsack and carries who-knows-what kind of pestilence.
Thank you Trump, for normalizing imperialist bullshit behavior. Not that China needed much of a heads up, but they’ll surely love it.
West Taiwan speaking lol.
Some thing about saber rattling toward Australia is utterly sublime.
How so?
Sorry, sabre rattling? I don’t see anything in the language here that indicates China is threatening war with Australia. It’s Australia saying “we should form a military alliance and use it to violently oppose China and Taiwan unifying their governmental and national defense structures” and China saying that even suggesting such a thing will put Australia - the white supremacist settler colony that is an extension of white supremacist British colonialism, the largest empire in the history of the world - on the diplomatic shit list of China, which will mean lack of cooperation, reduced trade, etc.
Australia was a penal colony for Irish rebellion during the 1700s. They are probably more Irish than English ancestry
Holy crap what have you been sniffing, that must be some good shit
I don’t see anything in the language here that indicates China is threatening war with Australia.
It is the same bullying we have been hearing from Chinese officials over many years now. Chinese envoys have already threatened Australian and Japanese people over its support for Taiwan as well as the current Japanese PM personally.
Chinese imperialism has a long-standing history across a wide range of territories and issues, comprising Beijing’s territorial claims in the South China Sea, and the persecution of Uyghurs and suppression of Tibet and Inner Mongolia. Officially there are 55 ethnic minorities in contemporary China - all people other than Han-Chinese - that speak more than 300 languages, and these cultures and languages are suppressed by a wide range of measures including included forced labor and factory work, suppression of Uyghur and Tibetan religious practices, political indoctrination, forced sterilization, forced contraception, forced abortion, mass arbitrary arrests and detention, torture, mass surveillance, family separation, sexual violence, to name a few.
China’s relations with Africa have also been accused of being neo-colonial, particularly the Belt and Road Initiative.
Oh my God listen to yourself for just a second, will ya. Do you know what oppression of ethnic groups looks like? It looks like public lynchings of Italians. It looks like building ghettos for the Jews. It looks like constantly crowing about immigrants. That’s the US, not China.
Do you know what oppressing occupied territories looks like? It looks like child separation policies. It looks like laws making languages illegal and assimilation mandatory. It looks like eugenics and forced sterilization programs. That’s the US, not China.
Do you know what bullying looks like? It looks like killing fisherman by bombing them with your military. It looks like blowing up medical buildings and cultural sites while kidnapping a head of state. It looks like collective punishment killing millions of people every single year. That’s the US, not China.
China’s bullying the SCS is placid not beligerent. That should be obvious. They have never double tapped a fishing vessel.
China’s “occupation” of Tibet is anything but. The Tibetan people have always been autonomous under Chinese protection since the days the Chinese liberated them from the Mongols. Their education system teaches in the Tibetan language. Their government operates in the Tibetan language. Their culture is openly expressed and celebrated constantly. In the US, indigenous children were being separated from their families and sent to assimilation schools where they were murdered, beaten, raped, and tortured and that was occuring in the 1980s! Child separation is still a US program but now it’s managed through child protective services and the adoption system. The US is the example of what oppression looks like and you won’t find any of that in China.
Xinjiang situation is even more damning. Terrorist attacks in Xinjiang were rising every year for at least a decade. You know what they US does when there are terrorist attacks, right? It bombs multiple countries and ignores white supremacist attacks on Muslim populations. You know what China did? It invested in infrastructure, education, and industry while launching an anti-terrorism campaign that balanced fighting US-backed proxies with reintegrating terrorists into society. Representatives from over 20 countries have been on the ground observing the program. The results are very clear. The terrorist attacks have been almost eliminated, while the cultural expression of the peoples of Xinjiang remains vibrant. The region has been autonomous for decades. Like Tibet, it ran its government in its own language. It organized its society around its own historical practices. It was never subject to child separation, eugenics, or assimilation.
What you are describing as Chinese oppression is a projection of Western settler colonialism onto the Chinese reality. It is an illusion. Take for example your last sentence. The BRI has been accused of being neo-colonialism. That’s true, it has been accused of that. By whom though? Predominantly Western accusers and those aligned with the West. There are breaks in the ranks though. The Atlantic has a great essay explaining that the idea of the Chinese debt trap is a total fabrication. The Atlantic is a known imperial rag, and even it ran this article.
So yes, China has been accused of neocolonialism by neocolonialists. But it’s not doing neocolonialism in Africa.
As for the long history of Chinese imperialism dating back over 2000 years, I don’t think anyone could argue with that. Taiwan is a settler colony of the Han Chinese. The indigenous people of the island, however, are not the people being supported by the West. I doubt most Westerners who support Taiwan independence even know that there is an indigenous nation on the island separate from the Han.
But the reality is that under the CPC, China has not dropped a bomb in over 30 years. It has maintained and defended the autonomy of its protectorate. And it has been an active force of anti-imperialism and is one of the primary anchors of anti-imperialism today. There is only one empire ruling the globe right now. They have 600 military bases around the world. They have military fleets on every continent. They bomb weddings, funerals, medical facilities, and they have proxy programs that do this for them. They spend millions on individual propaganda campaigns like the anti-vax campaign in Asia aimed at making people afraid of China’s COVID vaccine. Their sanctions regime has killed over 40 million people globally. They have destroyed a dozen countries, developed large networks of drug production and distribution that kill millions every year. There is but one empire, and it is the US at the helm, with the rest of white supremacist Europe and the former and current colonies as junior partners.
We can worry about unwinding the contradictions of millenia of Han imperialism when the empire is defanged.
So yes, China has been accused of neocolonialism by neocolonialists. But it’s not doing neocolonialism in Africa.
Yes it is. That’s exactly what the belt and road initiative is … to bring impoverished nations into the fold by lending them money they’ll never be able to repay.
Western nations should have jumped in, but we didn’t. That still doesn’t excuse China’s manipulative, colonialist behaviour.
Read the article from The Atlantic. You are incorrect. Chinese debt forgiveness is massive, in the tens of billions.
Oh my God listen to yourself for just a second, will ya.
That‘s not going to happen because it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. 3½ years of anti-China & anti-Russia news posts by several similar Lemmy accounts
Thank God you’re here! I was feeling really lonely trying beat off all these people with both hands.
But yeah, OP is pretty obviously ideologically commited to the project of spreading Western propaganda. Maybe they’re a paid professional, but I know plenty of people who think it’s their mission to stop China just because they’ve been so immersed in sinophobia/Yellow Peril for so long that they’ll do this shit for free. Same with Red Scare and Russophobia brain damage. Just zealots and patsies, carrying water for free.
Look at this nonsense you’re spewing. It’s clear that china is threatening Australia and any country who interferes with what they consider a domestic issue, but anyone who isn’t a sinofascist understands is two independent nations who should stay that way and work on improving the world; not killing people.
This isn’t a “china bad” or “sinophobia” issue. It’s a being a decent human issue.
You may still be on your own here, I’m afraid. I just wanted you to know what you’re up against. I think the mods of the communities that have been hosting these ideologically and/or financially-motivated power posters for years know what they’re doing. These aren’t fora for good-faith discussions. For instance, the reason I noticed this conversation at all is because someone is filing false reports that your comments are “Spam or Abuse” and “Breaks Community Rules.”
Jesus
China threatening anyone other than the US is indeed hilarious saber rattling.
Again, there’s no sabre rattling. China is not threatening military consequences. China is informing Australia of the diplomatic consequences
Saber doesn’t literally mean weapons dude. Trade war saber rattling is still saber rattling.
Orwellian newspeak bullshit. Trade is war! Tarrifs are violence! Diplomacy is murder!
Fuck off. Sabre rattling means threats of violence. Contemporary examples of this are Hegseth going to Asia and saying “We all need to prepare for war with China” or Australia saying “We need to build military alliances to fight China”. China saying “we will not forgive you if you oppose us” is not sabre rattling. At. All.
So white supremacy vs Sinocentrism, goooot it
Could you help me find references that make this equivalency? Here’s what I’m looking for based on the behaviors of white supremacists.
Can you find evidence of the Chinese government just ignoring Chinese people holding public lynchings of minorities, making them into picnics and places to bring the kids?
Can you find evidence of forced sterilization programs and eugenics programs? Should be easy since white supremacists were running these programs well into the 80s and there are eugenics laws on the books in various states that weren’t released until very recently.
Can you find evidence of child separation policies aimed at destroying entire cultures? Again, should be easy. Indian boarding schools in white supremacist societies were operating well into the 80s.
Can you find evidence of dying languages in China? In white supremacist societies languages of oppressed people are made illegal and children who are stolen from their families are beaten, sometimes to death, for speaking their native language. Should be easy to find that in “sinocentrism” right?
How about popular Chinese groups of normal citizens arming themselves and openly stating they are sinocentric and they want to get rid of anyone who isn’t Chinese. In the US alone we have a bunch of these groups - Proud Boys, Boogaloo, neo-nazis, Groupers, Stormfront, etc. Should be easy to find stuff like that in sinocentric society like China, right?
Suffice to say, I find your false equivalency to be projection more than reality. White supremacy is a real and present danger to millions of people right now in your face on national TV every single day. There is no equivalent in China.
Just because you come from a failed state that is trying to max out on all the evil stats doesn’t mean that’s the bar for ethnic nationalism.
Decentre yourself a bit, you yank, and stop thinking about everything through either a US-centric Orientalisation lens.
Proclaiming that Taiwan must be annexed to “build the family across the Strait” “兩岸一家親” and that the only way national rejuvenation can be achieved is through annexation is ethno-nationalist and no different to the “Blood and Soil” concept the Nazis had. I’m hoping you can open your mind a second and realise I’m not talking about the “defence against the US” angle for annexing Taiwan, but specifically the extenisve use of ethnic links and family lingo to justify annexation.
I’m not even saying this as exaggeration, many Chinese are dumbfounded when they travel to Malaysia or Singapore and find that locals despise them for calling them “compatriots”. Dude is literally using 同胞, not like comrade, literally co-national.
Decentre yourself a bit, you yank, and stop thinking about everything through either a US-centric Orientalisation lens.
the only way national rejuvenation can be achieved is through annexation is ethno-nationalist and no different to the “Blood and Soil” concept the Nazis had.
Man. Talk about dissonance. Which is it? Are we comparing China to white supremacist fascists or are we decentering ourselves and considering the Chinese context for what it is.
The idea that healing from a civil war is ethno-nationalism akin to the Third Reich is completely and utterly ridiculous. The situation with Taiwan is not about nationalism, it’s about literally healing the wounds between families that were caught on opposite sides of a civil war. It’s about healing from the 40 year white terror on Taiwan committee by Chiang Kai-shek.
[I am talking about] specifically the extenisve use of ethnic links and family lingo to justify annexation.
So your issue is that the rhetoric is focusing on the shared aspects of the peoples as opposed to focusing on things like violence, dominion, divine right, might makes right, or some other form of justification? Like what are you even saying? You want to ignore the fact that China has legitimate security interests being threatened by the US operating Taiwan as a foreign base but you want to claim that peaceful reunification rhetoric focused on shared aspects of the people reminds you of the Nazi rhetoric that invented a new white race (Aryan) and a whole mystical system of ascendance and ranking that justified their enslavement, genociding, and occupation of the lesser races like the Slavs, Jews, and Romas?
Like, are you serious and just haven’t dealt with your cognitive dissonance or are you just being totally disingenuous and don’t think anyone can call you on it?
Families that were caught on opposite sides? You mean the ROC soldiers that occupied Taiwan after losing the Civil War? Yeah, there’s ample channels currently for that, I don’t shed tears for waishengren occupiers sorry.
Point is, you don’t have any skin in the game, you’re LARP-ing as a revolutionary because you’re pissed at the US currently. I get you, sorta. But I ain’t buying the “principled anti-imperialist” facade.
Yes, so you clearly don’t agree that the KMT had any material claim to being a legitimate government and the Japanese claim was an imperialist one. So undoing both of those leaves us with Taiwan being a province of China and China being under the governance of the CPC and the protection of the PLA. I am glad we agree.
You’re in England. You live in the old heart of the empire. You’re with the very people who subjugated China with gun boat diplomacy and spent the last 300 years, at least, producing anti-Chinese propaganda. I know you want to claim some form of supremacy that allows you to dismiss valid critique as revolutionary LARPing, but that’s not actually addressing anything other than your inability to formulate meaningful responses.
China is an imperialist empire. They are worthless trash.
No you are
In this context, where the Australia is literally a imperial colony of the largest empire in the history of the world that continues to openly oppress the indigenous people of an entire continent, your comment is hilarious.
Australia is literally a imperial colony of the largest empire in the history of the world
Your statement is wrong. Please read my brief comment in this thread. You’ll find more information about Chinese imperialism in Asia and across the world across the web.
It’s not from an approved propaganda source. The tankie won’t read it. They’re just maga for Communism… everything to them is fake news if it doesn’t feed into their views.
Communists in the West read twice as much as you liberals. We had to to even become communists. We had to read everything you had to read in school. We were raised by liberal parents just like you were, and they read the same shit your parents did and passed it down to us. We have to read the same anglosphere internet content and mainstream news sources, we watch the same movies and TV shows you do.
And then we ALSO have to read everything else that contradicts it and dismantles it and argues against it. And then, because this is how intellectual honesty works, then we have to dig deeper into the anti-communist Western corpus in order to review the arguments against communism and find the arguments that directly attack the procommunist content we recently found. I dare say communists are likely to have read two or three things for every one thing you’ve read.
Just because you only consume propaganda from your dominant culture doesn’t mean that people who disagree with you are just consuming propaganda from some other culture. It’s not really possible for it to be that way anyway. It’s not like I went through 16 years of communist schooling, or spent 30 years watching communist news casts and working with fellow communists in the work place or hanging out with communist friends. I have been fully immersed in Western anti-communist, Russophobia, sinophobic, capitalist white supremacist patriarchy, just like you have been.
I just read different things and came to different conclusions than you did.
Ahhahahaha
Both is true, so is USA. Xi’s boot is already clean enough from their yesmen’s licking, you don’t have to join in.
