Weirdly, I love KDE, but kinda hate the look of KDE apps. Don’t ask why.
I’m the same. I like the workflow of Plasma, I just find it more practical, but Gnome actually feels like an OS made this century. All the KDE software just feels like it was made in the early 00s and since then it’s just been getting hotfixes to keep it going. I wish they’d just abandon a bunch of their projects and stop spreading themselves so thin.
There is something about the slightly bad kerning of QT that gives KDE a vaguely Windows 95 feel. Especially when you start installing extensions that make no attempt to resemble each other; there is nothing I can do to make my CPU temperature meter and my system clock look like they belong on the same computer.
Gnome on the other hand feels like MacOS with meningitis. It’s designed to look nice, but not necessarily do anything.
KDE started by emulating the looks and mechanics of Windows, but with even more busy lists and dialogs. While Gnome 2 was very obviously stealing from MacOS.
I still can’t bring myself to try KDE again, after having been traumatized by it twenty years ago.
everything you said so far was screaming that you did not try plasma 6, but not even plasma 5, but finally this made it clear. you should try it sometime, it changed a lot!
People are saying in this very thread that KDE’s apps don’t look too good, and that KDE has ridiculous settings like scrolling speed per app (instead of following the system-wide settings properly). So apparently not that much has changed.
well, whatever. if you don’t want I won’t force it. truth be told there are a few neglected kde apps, but I have never seen that per-app scroll speed setting. wouldn’t be surprised if its an addon.
Normally there are different groups of people working on different things. So those that are working on one thing probably aren’t interested in working on anything else.
I don’t really understand why anyone uses ‘KDE software’ or ‘Gnome software’, aside from the control panel and some widgets: for all actual work, I use software that doesn’t belong to any particular environment. Namely, Double Commander for file management.
Wherefore?
KDE has its origins in being ‘like Windows, but with way more shit to fiddle with’. And since Windows was never good about design, and other KDE predecessors like CDE looked even worse, KDE didn’t have a good example from which to learn.
In contrast, Gnome 2 was very obviously inspired by MacOS, and Apple’s designers actually knew about the principles of grouping and such basic design stuff that MS never properly learned. Apple spent ages on adjusting the looks of the apps, which I guess Gnome borrowed to some extent.
The default theme could be better but you can customise a lot of it. Or you can wait for the current trend of rounded borders to end and KDE will be ahead of the curve.
They feel unfinished. I like their apps, but their designs feel like mockups.
I hate that Qt6 dropped the Motif theme. You can get a Kvantum theme that’s vaguely close, but it’s different enough that you can tell the difference (the old one had deeper bevels) and I tend to prioritize Qt5 if I can use it.
Hm never thought about it, but now that you mention it, I feel the same. Mostly using non-KDE apps with a few exceptions like Spectacle and Konsole
What about dolphin tho?
Use Double Commander instead, like a pro.
I knew I forgot something… Yeah dolphin is good, but it has some questionable UI design decisions too. For example I always have trouble finding the quick filter instead of the find menu. It’s hidden somewhere and it does not persist. And the find menu itself is such a mess that it’s easier to use
find . -iname *whatever*on the command line. But maybe that’s just me and my way of thinking.
I’ve been using Mint Cinnamon for years and after having used Plasma on a number of different setups Mint feels so antiquated. It’s not even close, Plasma is far superior. It’s so much more modern and snappy feeling and you can do so much more with it if you want. Cinnamon makes you have to figure to look in applet settings to then find the setting to modify the start menu. So unintuitive. Among a bunch of other examples I could give
Ok, no hate (and with all appreciation for the community due), but since Gnome 3 that’s really how I see it. Perfectly ok but a teletubby.
Oh god, I reinstalled debian a bunch of times friday/saturday.
I ended up on gnome twice, once because I didn’t unmark anything properly, and a second time just to see what the unspecified debian UI would look like.
I disliked/managed to use it before. Now it’s so fucking macified it makes me want to vomit.
Gnome 3 isn’t ‘macified’. They’ve actually thrown away all the good stuff they stole from MacOS in Gnome 2, when they made Gnome 3 with its own blackjack and hookers.
I’m not exactly talking about looking like Macos, I’m talking about how it “feels” more like a rounded corner, hide things away on the edges, overly animated kinda thing. KDE has KRunner which while being like spotlight from Macos, doesn’t feel like it.
It’s a feeling. It’s difficult to precisely explain why it feels like a distasteful experience that I hate.
Guess we pay attention to different things. Idk what’s overly animated about MacOS, at least the last version that I used. The main animation in there is when minimizing an app — which in fact shows where the app is gone, and is helpful for new users. It can be disabled.
just the general communications of it. things on the taskbar bounce sometimes for notifications, when you enter the password wrong the panel shakes, etc etc. I am forced to use one for work, so I don’t spend too much time trying to customise it, I gave it a once over to get rid of most of the annoying things.
At home I’ve gone from Windows (non 11) -> KDE , so things are a lot more “colour change” instead of “animations”
EDIT : oh shit, it’s you! Thanks again for all your contribs in !music@lemmy.world
The bounce thing is great, in my opinion. The app typically bounces three or so times to let me know something happened, then stops and only bounces periodically if there’s an ongoing thing requiring my attention. Iirc this is tied to the notification settings specific to each app, so is happening only with apps that I want to notify me.
I’ve actually made my own app using this bouncing mechanic: a timer that shows the remaining time in the badge on the dock icon, and bounces continually once the time is up. It’s launched via the command line, or rather via the Alfred launcher by banging out a command like ‘timer 3m’. There’s no other interface. Took about 200 lines in a single Swift file. I’m gonna have to make something analogous for Linux once I find a decent alternative to Alfred.
Gnome, kde, and what’s the 3rd logo? I suddenly have fomo.
Cinnamon.
I’ve been using Cinnamon for a long time and I didn’t know the icon. TIL
If I want simple and super stable, Cinnamon. If I want sexy, custom, and slightly less stable, Plasma.
Never going back to desktop environments again.
Niri FTW!Compiz and Wayfire:
KDE is great! (In screenshots.)
Real talk I’ve tried to use KDE several times now and I just can’t vibe with it.
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