Support among House Democrats for impeaching Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem is skyrocketing, nearly doubling in the last week to 100 co-sponsors.

That’s an unprecedented level of support for an impeachment effort during President Trump’s second term, with lawmakers who have bristled at the topic in the past now warming to the idea.

Kelly is urging Republicans to get on board with her efforts — even as no GOP lawmaker has come close to expressing support for Noem’s impeachment.

“As Secretary Noem continues to lie, obstruct Congress, and violate people’s civil rights, the support for her impeachment only grows,” she said.

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    They likely gave up because they realized that trying to impeach him is just adding fuel to his bases fire.

    You gotta realize that Trump has a third of the country believing that he is a victim of political persecution. The “witch hunt” rhetoric was taken hook, line, and sinker. They sincerely and earnestly believe that Trump is a good man with a righteous vision, who is targeted by “the radical left”, which is “weaponizing” the DoJ or the impeachment process.

    And unfortunately, that less than 1/3 of the country lives in the right place to make them worth more than half of the seats in the Senate, so impeachment was bound to go nowhere and ultimately hurt the democratic party going into the next elections.

    And this plot predates even Trump’s first term. Part of the reason this guy is now Teflon is that he installed a lot of court seats. Partly due to Mitch holding back the nomination of Merrick Garland, but he was also holding back a shitload of lower court vacancies so that they could get filled by 45.

    I agree that he should have been impeached, tried, and ultimately convicted. Honestly at this point, I feel like he should be hung for treason. But politics, sadly, can’t always align with justice.

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      They likely gave up because they realized that trying to impeach him is just adding fuel to his bases fire.

      You gotta realize that Trump has a third of the country believing that he is a victim of political persecution. The “witch hunt” rhetoric was taken hook, line, and sinker. They sincerely and earnestly believe that Trump is a good man with a righteous vision, who is targeted by “the radical left”, which is “weaponizing” the DoJ or the impeachment process.

      But if we apply this logic then Democrats should never oppose Trump or any other Republican, and where does that leave us? I find this quite ridiculous as not only does it excuse Democratic inaction but also mandates that they bend over backwards to support him in the future for fear of losing their job (a job that quite literally is to represent the people).

      Merrick Garland lost his shot at SCOTUS because instead of fighting back when the law was fully on their side nearly a year before the 2016 election, they arrogantly thought that they were guaranteed to win and Clinton would then get the nomination. They again backed down in 2020 just a month before the election and allowed Republicans to ram a nomination through. They backed down in Texas and allowed the Republican legislature to gerrymander districts and pick up several seats. They backed down on the government shutdown and allowed Republicans to take away our healthcare. They backed down and allowed the passage of the BBB. They’re backing down and allowing the capture of a sovereign nation’s president. They’re backing down and allowing ICE to murder citizens in the streets.

      These are all reasons why they’re losing elections. They’re supposed to be the opposition party yet they refuse to oppose anything and even vote alongside Republicans often enough. Refusing to acknowledge this is why Trump won in 2016. It’s why he nearly one again in 2020, and it’s why he won in 2024. With each passing day they look more and more like they’re all members of the same party because that’s the only logical explanation for what’s happening. Using the same tired excuses over and over and over only gets you so far before people see right through the BS.

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        But if we apply this logic then Democrats should never oppose Trump or any other Republican, and where does that leave us?

        I respectfully disagree on this point, and this point only. They attempted to impeach him twice. A third time, after he is out of office, wouldn’t have really done anything beneficial. Without a conviction in the senate, he would still have been eligible to run in 2024, and his base would’ve been even more fired up. It would be seen as more liberal virtue signaling and another witch hunt.

        It was quite clear by that point what game the Republicans were playing…another impeachment would have played right into that hand. Having the cooperation of a not-insignificant portion of the media who only played up the victim rhetoric was also a big factor.

        The legal system, which is supposed to be apolitical, was the best course of action. And continues to be the best course of action, because the majority of both houses continues to be Trump loyalists. Drown them in lawsuits, a million papercuts, etc.

        It’s far from a perfect solution, though, due to the aforementioned blocking of lower-court appointments, Merrick Garland (who, like, bullshit, I agree, should’ve fought harder), and then RBG dying at a very inopportune time, leading to a vulgar show of hypocrisy on the right and another weak resistance on the left.

        And, it plays into the continued “weaponizing the justice system” rhetoric. Like, dude…it’s not “weaponizing the justice system” if you’re continually doing unlawful and even unconstitutional things. But good luck explaining that to the 33% of the country who would struggle to get a D on a 6th grade Civics test.

        I do agree that Democrat’s are really sucking as “The Resistance”. The biggest thing they need to work on is messaging and having a united front.

        But honestly, what can they do, really? The American People have spoken, and this is what they asked for, by the democratically instilled laws of our country.

        There is no way to win, inside the system, by continuing to play by the rules. But, as long as Republicans hold the trifecta and the fourth-estate, any attempt to break the rules will not be cast in their favor.

        The only way, I think, starts with finding an effective antidote to their koolaid.

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          They attempted to impeach him twice. A third time, after he is out of office, wouldn’t have really done anything beneficial. Without a conviction in the senate, he would still have been eligible to run in 2024, and his base would’ve been even more fired up. It would be seen as more liberal virtue signaling and another witch hunt.

          This just happened in June

          And then again a few weeks ago in December…

          I dont really care if it succeeds. At least it’s concrete action far beyond angry letters and tweets.

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          They attempted to impeach him twice. A third time, after he is out of office, wouldn’t have really done anything beneficial. Without a conviction in the senate, he would still have been eligible to run in 2024, and his base would’ve been even more fired up. It would be seen as more liberal virtue signaling and another witch hunt.

          This just happened in June

          And then again a few weeks ago in December…

          I dont really care if it succeeds. At least it’s concrete action far beyond angry letters and tweets.

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          They attempted to impeach him twice. A third time, after he is out of office, wouldn’t have really done anything beneficial. Without a conviction in the senate, he would still have been eligible to run in 2024, and his base would’ve been even more fired up. It would be seen as more liberal virtue signaling and another witch hunt.

          This just happened in June

          And then again in December…

          I dont really care if it succeeds. At least it’s concrete action far beyond angry letters and tweets.

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      Lemmy firmly believes that every American is as far left as them, sees things the way the front page sees things, and that Democrats are the real problem. It’s naive and self-absorbed, but there it is.