I’m literally shocked how many people on Lemmy actually believe establishment Dems are functionally different from the GOP.
I would get it on some liberal fortress like Reddit, but Lemmy was supposed to be some far-left, socialist bastion. I always feel very suspect of sudden shifts in community attitudes as elections grow closer, and I’m seeing it ALL OVER Lemmy right now.
You don’t have to think they are functionally different, or even think that the Democrat party is good on the whole, to recognize that it’s better that one administration mostly worked within the spirit of the law while the other went the violent nazi route.
That doesn’t even mean Obama’s deportations were the right thing to do. Something can be morally wrong and strategically ill-advised and there can still be WAY worse options.
And as for the attitudes here, I don’t have an argument either way. What I can definitely say is that the argument of whether you are an evil capitalist genocide supporter for voting for Biden or Harris in order to avoid the current Trump administration was all the rage in '23-'24.
edit to add: I forgot my conclusion that thanks to our right-leaning culture and flawed voting system enforcing the 2-party thing, in addition to the electoral college being biased in favor of red states, every election in this country is like the trolley problem! You can vote for somebody who is actually kinda against your values, or you can do nothing and watch Putin’s plans come to fruition or whatever the hell this country is now.
I’m shocked how little americans understand politics and how everything is either “liberal left” or “far-right”. Pick up a god damn book. Everyone has issues they are left-leaning about and others where they are right-leaning. It goes for every single human being and no political party is perfect, but you choose which is most important to you. It’s not supposed to be a black and white thing where one party is to be hated and the other is to be loved. Atleast not in a normal world.
The vast majority of Americans don’t even really understand these labels anyway. The way labels are used here is designed to point the average moron at the enemies of the party, and while I would love if people had more nuanced views, it’s just not where we’re at.
The vast majority of voters in our 2024 election had no idea who to vote for. I actually read the exit polling and it’s depressing as fuck. The lack of understanding of what different parties and ideologies represent is what’s causing ALL of this. People who voted for Obama and supported Bernie Sanders voted for Trump because they just had no idea what he represented, in HUGE numbers. So in this context, we definitely need labels so people who work 6 days a week and get all their news from Facebook memes sunday night for 30 minutes have a clue who represents what.
The labels aren’t the problem, it’s the atomization and tunnel-perspective that makes people ONLY see their own feelings validated and have that tied to a label or 'team" they can get behind like sports fans. People need a standardized, required way to see who does and says what with neutrality and fact-based reporting, but people don’t want that, they want their goddamn feelings stroked.
I’m literally shocked how many people on Lemmy actually believe establishment Dems are functionally different from the GOP.
I would get it on some liberal fortress like Reddit, but Lemmy was supposed to be some far-left, socialist bastion. I always feel very suspect of sudden shifts in community attitudes as elections grow closer, and I’m seeing it ALL OVER Lemmy right now.
You don’t have to think they are functionally different, or even think that the Democrat party is good on the whole, to recognize that it’s better that one administration mostly worked within the spirit of the law while the other went the violent nazi route.
That doesn’t even mean Obama’s deportations were the right thing to do. Something can be morally wrong and strategically ill-advised and there can still be WAY worse options.
And as for the attitudes here, I don’t have an argument either way. What I can definitely say is that the argument of whether you are an evil capitalist genocide supporter for voting for Biden or Harris in order to avoid the current Trump administration was all the rage in '23-'24.
edit to add: I forgot my conclusion that thanks to our right-leaning culture and flawed voting system enforcing the 2-party thing, in addition to the electoral college being biased in favor of red states, every election in this country is like the trolley problem! You can vote for somebody who is actually kinda against your values, or you can do nothing and watch Putin’s plans come to fruition or whatever the hell this country is now.
I’m shocked how little americans understand politics and how everything is either “liberal left” or “far-right”. Pick up a god damn book. Everyone has issues they are left-leaning about and others where they are right-leaning. It goes for every single human being and no political party is perfect, but you choose which is most important to you. It’s not supposed to be a black and white thing where one party is to be hated and the other is to be loved. Atleast not in a normal world.
The vast majority of Americans don’t even really understand these labels anyway. The way labels are used here is designed to point the average moron at the enemies of the party, and while I would love if people had more nuanced views, it’s just not where we’re at.
The vast majority of voters in our 2024 election had no idea who to vote for. I actually read the exit polling and it’s depressing as fuck. The lack of understanding of what different parties and ideologies represent is what’s causing ALL of this. People who voted for Obama and supported Bernie Sanders voted for Trump because they just had no idea what he represented, in HUGE numbers. So in this context, we definitely need labels so people who work 6 days a week and get all their news from Facebook memes sunday night for 30 minutes have a clue who represents what.
The labels aren’t the problem, it’s the atomization and tunnel-perspective that makes people ONLY see their own feelings validated and have that tied to a label or 'team" they can get behind like sports fans. People need a standardized, required way to see who does and says what with neutrality and fact-based reporting, but people don’t want that, they want their goddamn feelings stroked.