Zyklon-B, the pesticide used in the gas chambers, was still being manufactured, sold and used (for its intended pesticide usage) all the way up until the 2010s iirc.
You presumably mean that Hugo Boss ‘designed the SS uniform’ — which he didn’t, as he wasn’t a designer and the company wasn’t in fashion design until after his death. The uniform was designed by two dudes in the SS, and Hugo Boss’ company was one of many manufacturers contracted for production.
When do you people WAKE UP? What accountability? What responsibility? When in the last decade plus has any if that happened?
I’m sure it’s just around the corner…
Open your damn eyes. The entire planet can see it, why are Americans so blind?l is it intentional? You guys let J6 slide ffs, why would there be an ounce of accountability now or ever? UNREAL
It’s very real. This is history repeating itself for the umpteenth time. You aren’t the first, nor will you be the last one to scream into the void about people who have been deliberately disenfranchised by their government with the direct intent of making them toothless against what is essentially a fascist regime.
The problem is that you’re screaming a lot but not offering actual solutions except a general idea of “Fight!”. That’s not helpful, and it sounds a lot like condescension.
I understand that you’re expressing frustration and disbelief and anger. But people here are angry too and they are fighting where they can. But as this and other news is very demonstrative of, the system is rigged against them and things get worse in that regard every day.
App stores removing apps that track ICE. People who share their outrage but not solutions/who don’t boost actual efforts to fight.
News article that focus solely on the bad part and offer no solutions. The fact that you don’t come across many posts with actual solutions isn’t a it’s intentional. People ignore things that help so they can remain outraged, supercilious, and smug.
The problem is that you’re screaming a lot but not offering actual solutions except a general idea of “Fight!”. That’s not helpful, and it sounds a lot like condescension.
None of this stopped USians from endlessly writing on Reddit for the past four years that Russians should’ve overthrown Putin, and I didn’t see them helping plan a revolution.
I have tried to explain to Americans here and on reddit and other places too that the political landscape in Russia is very different and that what we think is possible is all passes through the lens of our own government and country. But people are gonna people.
For what it’s worth, I don’t agree with those people whole sale either. I recognize that what they’re asking the Russian populace to do is tantamount to a death or slavery sentence.
All I’ve heard for 40 years of life is 2a this and 2a that. Turns out it was just an excuse for school shootings and gun nuts to keep their toys. Your answer is staring you in the face, whether you want to acknowledge or not is another thing.
Do you really believe the traditional channels will be of any use? Or have those already - long, long - been compromised?
Even if the channels had just been neutered yesterday, do yoy really think Trump would give back an inch? He’ll TACO all day on tariffs, but on human rights violations he is consistent - take and never return.
You’re platitudes are lovely, and in fairness, not even entirely incorrect. But what you, and eveidently millions and millions of Americans don’t seem to understand, is the milk has already been spilled. The how and the why are for scholars a hundred years from now to sort out. For today, tomorrow and the day after, y’all need to find a way to stop the continous slide. It’s not getting easier next week or the week after.
Label me WHATEVER you like that gets people’s ASSES IN GEAR. As angry as I am, amazingly enough I am still on your side. I should be flushing every bloody word an American speaks to me straight down the toilet after your Dear Leader and half the country shit on an ally in ways never seen before. Yet here I am, trying to propel you people to acknowlegde the real situation for what it is. Why is that? Truthfully, I’m selfish. I’d love to not have to take up arms to defend my border, but let’s be honest, that’s inevitable if Americans don’t clean up their own shit.
So before you come and tell me how smug and supercilious I’m being, take a moment to realize this - becuase of your people’s patently obvius shitty decisions, I have to enlist and potentially PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE to defend my country against an ‘ally’. Pardon me for not giving a fuck about your spineless response and pages of assinine commentary.
You fail to understand that this wasn’t an attack on you, but commentary about the state of things and how they look from the inside rather than the outside.
And as someone who did enlist, I’m gonna just point out something. Your country should never have allowed allyship with the USA to divest you of a fighting force worthy of protecting your own assets, borders, or sovereignty.
I absolutely don’t agree that the US should be fucking about in any other country. But the entire world never even batted an eye when we were setting up puppet regimes and destabilizing whole countries where brown people live. So you’ll figure me if our problematic behavior has finally landed on your doorstep. I don’t agree with the shit we’ve done in South America, The Middle East, or half a dozen African countries.
But I also grew up in poverty and found my way out of that through enlistment, so I was part of the problem whether I wanted to be or not.
I am trying to have empathy for you and people like you while pointing out that our government is literally kidnapping people off the street and essentially using FLOK cameras as legal wiretaps. The people who are doing something need help to boost the signal and people are ignoring them.
So before you come and tell me how smug and supercilious I’m being, take a moment to realize this - becuase of your people’s patently obvius shitty decisions, I have to enlist and potentially PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE to defend my country against an ‘ally’.
“Americans, PUT YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE and take up personal firearms against your own armed federal agents so that I don’t have to enlist and defend my own country, potentially putting my own life on the line! How very fucking dare you make me find my own spine! I should not have to defend my own country!”
Son, I don’t have to tell you how smug and supercilious you are. Even the shittiest mirror can do it at this point.
Pardon me for not giving a fuck about your spineless response and pages of assinine commentary.
Coming from the massive walls of text you just wrote yourself this is just unintentionally hilarious on multiple levels.
But please, carry on. Don’t let me interrupt you. Huff and puff and tell us all everything you’re absolutely not but THAT OTHER GUY IS!!!1!!1!!!11!!!.
EDITED TO ADD: Fifteen day old account and sounds exactly like someone else I blocked a couple of weeks ago, lol. I guess the other account just wasn’t getting the traction anymore.
Yes, everyone is a bot. You’re right. And this is an alt account. Nice work Sherlock. I guess that makes everything I said incorrect? Because my account is 15 days old? Nice strawman.
I’ll entertain this so it’s in writing:
I had never heard of Lemmy until a few months ago. Why is that? Because I am actively divesting from US assets and companies. Why is that? Clearly Trump and the last 12 months.
I enjoyed Reddit. Quite a bit. I was reluctant to leave because of all subreddits I’d curated and they have great niche places. Their sports communities are second to none, for example.
I fully admit the first time I tried to setup Lemmy it was a fail. I went back to Reddit for another few months as a result.
Trump continues and continues to insult his allies and the 101 other things he’s done to make humanity worse off than the day before. So again I made a push to divest.
SO I TRIED LEMMY AGAIN. Imagine the horror, I had to make an account at some point. Apologies I wasn’t a super duper early adopter like you were. Frankly, if Trump isn’t President I never show up here at all.
Wanna run that through ChatGPT to make sure it’s authentic.
So back to the ACTUAL DISCUSSION POINT: This isn’t about my spine you idiot. I didn’t vote for him and I’m not an American citizen. YOU HAD THE CHANCE. He was voted out and then allowed to return. I had zero ability to influence any of that.
And because of your countries moral bankruptcy, now we are preparing to defend ourselves against an ‘ally’. Many nations are doing so.
Just going to ignore all that?
And finally, I AM PROUD TO SERVE MY COUNTRY. AND I WILL ANSWER THE CALL WHEN THE TIME COMES. Even though I nor my nation had anything to do with the shit storm that is landing on our front step. Also while Americans themselves, who got us to this point, are being trampled on and not standing up for what is right. So yeah, if you guys did anything whatsoever, we wouldn’t be here. He was voted out ffs.
Back over to your strawman. But before you start again, let’s not forget letting that little J6 thing completely slide by without any consequence… what a joke.
There’s a lot of armed people here willing to fight, but without some kind of organized call-to-arms (whether it be militias or state national guard), all that’s gonna happen is you’re going to be arrested and given a 20+ year prison sentence for assault on a federal officer with a deadly weapon. It’s easy to say you’d fight back, but a lot of us have families to provide for and can’t just throw away our lives like that.
Right now, we’re lacking leadership, and most democrats in power don’t have the balls to openly call for resistance. I don’t know what the future holds, but I feel we’re nearing a breaking point where we might start seeing armed resistance.
You are clearly not wrong. However, the question I would return with: if not violence, what mechanism for change will actually move a lever?
I’m certainly at my most pessimistic moment, but sincerely I don’t see how this changes for your countrymen at this point without violence…? What realistic compromise could we even draw up? The two sides are diametrically opposed. There isn’t common ground because there isn’t even a common reality. The legal system seems righed and there is no leadership. You have touched on some of these points yourself.
I’ll take a try at what a compromise might look like:
– Trump agrees to go door to door with Minnesota Police. This gurantees:
The process is done slowly and unchaotically. This is what MN wants.
Every single address is searched and the potential for immigrant removal is near 100%. This is what Trump wants.
This solution would save lives, but also give up significant civil liberties. It’s the best I can think up. Hopefully you are more creative than I am.
My last comment: I too have a family. And many extended family. And friends across Canada. It is on behalf of these people that I’m so passionate. And I can also appreciate your concerns also because of these same people. These are two sides of the same coin.
We can only hope these companies are treated as collaborators in the future.
How were collaborators treated the last time around though?
Volkswagen, Ford, UBS, and IBM are all doing pretty well.
Even the company that made the gas for hitlers gas chambers are still around
Zyklon-B, the pesticide used in the gas chambers, was still being manufactured, sold and used (for its intended pesticide usage) all the way up until the 2010s iirc.
and this was still under the Zyklon name.
Imagine all the jobs that would be lost if we stopped using zyklon b to gas undesirables! Wrings hands.
All those rocket engineers got cushy jobs with NASA too.
Not that it makes it any better, but at least they tried hiding operation paperclip. Hopefully indicating some kind of shame.
Volkswagen didn’t even change their name
Barely changed the logo
“Yeah we were the nazi car company who helped do the holocaust. That was a doozy. Anyways, wanna buy a nazi car?”
If you see what was done to VW, I think it makes sense though. Not really familiar with the histories of the others in relation.
Nike, Adidas
How was Nike involved? They didn’t exist until ~ the 70s I thought.
Sorry, Hugo Boss
You presumably mean that Hugo Boss ‘designed the SS uniform’ — which he didn’t, as he wasn’t a designer and the company wasn’t in fashion design until after his death. The uniform was designed by two dudes in the SS, and Hugo Boss’ company was one of many manufacturers contracted for production.
Hugo Boss was a member of the Nazi party, though.
Ah, that one makes sense.
When do you people WAKE UP? What accountability? What responsibility? When in the last decade plus has any if that happened?
I’m sure it’s just around the corner…
Open your damn eyes. The entire planet can see it, why are Americans so blind?l is it intentional? You guys let J6 slide ffs, why would there be an ounce of accountability now or ever? UNREAL
It’s very real. This is history repeating itself for the umpteenth time. You aren’t the first, nor will you be the last one to scream into the void about people who have been deliberately disenfranchised by their government with the direct intent of making them toothless against what is essentially a fascist regime.
The problem is that you’re screaming a lot but not offering actual solutions except a general idea of “Fight!”. That’s not helpful, and it sounds a lot like condescension.
I understand that you’re expressing frustration and disbelief and anger. But people here are angry too and they are fighting where they can. But as this and other news is very demonstrative of, the system is rigged against them and things get worse in that regard every day.
App stores removing apps that track ICE. People who share their outrage but not solutions/who don’t boost actual efforts to fight.
News article that focus solely on the bad part and offer no solutions. The fact that you don’t come across many posts with actual solutions isn’t a it’s intentional. People ignore things that help so they can remain outraged, supercilious, and smug.
None of this stopped USians from endlessly writing on Reddit for the past four years that Russians should’ve overthrown Putin, and I didn’t see them helping plan a revolution.
I have tried to explain to Americans here and on reddit and other places too that the political landscape in Russia is very different and that what we think is possible is all passes through the lens of our own government and country. But people are gonna people.
For what it’s worth, I don’t agree with those people whole sale either. I recognize that what they’re asking the Russian populace to do is tantamount to a death or slavery sentence.
All I’ve heard for 40 years of life is 2a this and 2a that. Turns out it was just an excuse for school shootings and gun nuts to keep their toys. Your answer is staring you in the face, whether you want to acknowledge or not is another thing.
Do you really believe the traditional channels will be of any use? Or have those already - long, long - been compromised?
Even if the channels had just been neutered yesterday, do yoy really think Trump would give back an inch? He’ll TACO all day on tariffs, but on human rights violations he is consistent - take and never return.
You’re platitudes are lovely, and in fairness, not even entirely incorrect. But what you, and eveidently millions and millions of Americans don’t seem to understand, is the milk has already been spilled. The how and the why are for scholars a hundred years from now to sort out. For today, tomorrow and the day after, y’all need to find a way to stop the continous slide. It’s not getting easier next week or the week after.
Label me WHATEVER you like that gets people’s ASSES IN GEAR. As angry as I am, amazingly enough I am still on your side. I should be flushing every bloody word an American speaks to me straight down the toilet after your Dear Leader and half the country shit on an ally in ways never seen before. Yet here I am, trying to propel you people to acknowlegde the real situation for what it is. Why is that? Truthfully, I’m selfish. I’d love to not have to take up arms to defend my border, but let’s be honest, that’s inevitable if Americans don’t clean up their own shit.
So before you come and tell me how smug and supercilious I’m being, take a moment to realize this - becuase of your people’s patently obvius shitty decisions, I have to enlist and potentially PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE to defend my country against an ‘ally’. Pardon me for not giving a fuck about your spineless response and pages of assinine commentary.
GO DO SOMETHING.
You fail to understand that this wasn’t an attack on you, but commentary about the state of things and how they look from the inside rather than the outside.
And as someone who did enlist, I’m gonna just point out something. Your country should never have allowed allyship with the USA to divest you of a fighting force worthy of protecting your own assets, borders, or sovereignty.
I absolutely don’t agree that the US should be fucking about in any other country. But the entire world never even batted an eye when we were setting up puppet regimes and destabilizing whole countries where brown people live. So you’ll figure me if our problematic behavior has finally landed on your doorstep. I don’t agree with the shit we’ve done in South America, The Middle East, or half a dozen African countries.
But I also grew up in poverty and found my way out of that through enlistment, so I was part of the problem whether I wanted to be or not.
I am trying to have empathy for you and people like you while pointing out that our government is literally kidnapping people off the street and essentially using FLOK cameras as legal wiretaps. The people who are doing something need help to boost the signal and people are ignoring them.
“Americans, PUT YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE and take up personal firearms against your own armed federal agents so that I don’t have to enlist and defend my own country, potentially putting my own life on the line! How very fucking dare you make me find my own spine! I should not have to defend my own country!”
Son, I don’t have to tell you how smug and supercilious you are. Even the shittiest mirror can do it at this point.
Coming from the massive walls of text you just wrote yourself this is just unintentionally hilarious on multiple levels.
But please, carry on. Don’t let me interrupt you. Huff and puff and tell us all everything you’re absolutely not but THAT OTHER GUY IS!!!1!!1!!!11!!!.
EDITED TO ADD: Fifteen day old account and sounds exactly like someone else I blocked a couple of weeks ago, lol. I guess the other account just wasn’t getting the traction anymore.
Yes, everyone is a bot. You’re right. And this is an alt account. Nice work Sherlock. I guess that makes everything I said incorrect? Because my account is 15 days old? Nice strawman.
I’ll entertain this so it’s in writing:
Wanna run that through ChatGPT to make sure it’s authentic.
So back to the ACTUAL DISCUSSION POINT: This isn’t about my spine you idiot. I didn’t vote for him and I’m not an American citizen. YOU HAD THE CHANCE. He was voted out and then allowed to return. I had zero ability to influence any of that.
And because of your countries moral bankruptcy, now we are preparing to defend ourselves against an ‘ally’. Many nations are doing so.
Just going to ignore all that?
And finally, I AM PROUD TO SERVE MY COUNTRY. AND I WILL ANSWER THE CALL WHEN THE TIME COMES. Even though I nor my nation had anything to do with the shit storm that is landing on our front step. Also while Americans themselves, who got us to this point, are being trampled on and not standing up for what is right. So yeah, if you guys did anything whatsoever, we wouldn’t be here. He was voted out ffs.
Back over to your strawman. But before you start again, let’s not forget letting that little J6 thing completely slide by without any consequence… what a joke.
There’s a lot of armed people here willing to fight, but without some kind of organized call-to-arms (whether it be militias or state national guard), all that’s gonna happen is you’re going to be arrested and given a 20+ year prison sentence for assault on a federal officer with a deadly weapon. It’s easy to say you’d fight back, but a lot of us have families to provide for and can’t just throw away our lives like that.
Right now, we’re lacking leadership, and most democrats in power don’t have the balls to openly call for resistance. I don’t know what the future holds, but I feel we’re nearing a breaking point where we might start seeing armed resistance.
You are clearly not wrong. However, the question I would return with: if not violence, what mechanism for change will actually move a lever?
I’m certainly at my most pessimistic moment, but sincerely I don’t see how this changes for your countrymen at this point without violence…? What realistic compromise could we even draw up? The two sides are diametrically opposed. There isn’t common ground because there isn’t even a common reality. The legal system seems righed and there is no leadership. You have touched on some of these points yourself.
I’ll take a try at what a compromise might look like:
– Trump agrees to go door to door with Minnesota Police. This gurantees:
This solution would save lives, but also give up significant civil liberties. It’s the best I can think up. Hopefully you are more creative than I am.
My last comment: I too have a family. And many extended family. And friends across Canada. It is on behalf of these people that I’m so passionate. And I can also appreciate your concerns also because of these same people. These are two sides of the same coin.