• ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
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    I will never have a goddamn camera in my home. If I did it will HAVE to be an old school disconnected one that records to a DVR or some SSD HD. I have zero interest in having any unauthorized or unknown access to the interior of my home. This is a goddamn outrage, how is everyone not throwing their ring cameras out already?

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      I’ve been trying to talk my out of using the them, hopefully this will. Good luck.

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    I enjoy having cameras on my house to see what’s going on in the neighborhood. It has come in handy at least once when my neighbor’s truck was stolen in broad daylight.

    They are ring cameras because two were installed already when I moved in. What should I switch to? I just really want motion alerts and proof when something bad happens.

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        unlikely to enshitify.

        That might be some wishful thinking. I tried getting some Reolink cameras a neighbor decided to buy on his own, to work with Blue Iris the other day, there was no way to configure them without installing their shitty app. All they have to do is just like every other not-shitty camera, enable DHCP, RTSP and ONVIF by default and then fuck off. But that’s not happening.

        I told him to send them back, I wasn’t going to deal with them.

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      Unifi Ubiquiti products are one of the best option for completely local data hosting and camera services with really good “ai” detections all run locally, but they aren’t that cheap and you’ll need to buy one of their Unifi protect capable routers to get started, which is gonna be like $300 by itself.

      Edit: Looks like they have a standalone recorder with a 3.5 inch drive bay but it’s still $200, and also most of their cameras are Ethernet. They do have a couple wireless options but not many.

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        Ethernet is the standard for security cameras anyway. It’s a higher quality feed which is important for indisputable evidence in a court of law. Just about every Wifi camera is either seriously lacking in resolution, frame rate, or both. Wifi cameras are also stupidly easy to jam with like $10 worth of equipment and minimal knowledge…

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    Oh noooo, that thing we warned people about when it came out is being misused in exactly the way we warned people it would be misused.

    Oh nooooo.

    I’m tired grandpa. Too damn many stupid people in this world.

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    my inlaws live next door and have a ring camera. both me and my partner are trans and i dont think we will be able to convince them to take it down…

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      There was a time when I thought that was impossible… now I don’t even have an account

      I think my wife keeps one because according to her (and I believe this is true) there are things you just can’t buy elsewhere anymore. So far, I have been fine not buying something if it’s only on Amazon but I can see cases where that would be impossible.

      Other than that, fuck Amazon right off

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      People send me links to Amazon products and seem bewildered when I just don’t open them and or respond to send me the actual link to the mfr website.

      Fuck amazon

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    You know they are in all of your cloud connected cameras, inside your home, inside your tesla, pretty much everywhere you have a camera… Definitely not just at your front door. The key thing to understand about the surveillance state is that they only acknowledge access of personal data if they intend to use it in a court room. Most of it is just used for spying, information gathering, and parallel construction if necessary.

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    Oh look another smart technology I didn’t adopt for the exact reason being talked about. You can’t trust big tech to not collaborate with whoever it’s the most profitable to collaborate with.

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      It’s not really a trust thing. They are companies, not people. The top decision makers have a fubuciary responsibility to do whatever makes money. They can, and often do, get sued if they don’t. So you can expect them to sell you out. It’s literally thier purpose for existing.

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      You can’t trust big tech to not collaberate with, big tech either. You don’t want them with your information, even if it’s not readily apparent how it could hurt you. Before you know it you could be in a fascist dictatorship and wondering how you got there, this is part of the reason. Or would be in that completely hypothetical situation that in no way mirrors our own situation with our dear most intelligent and not al all dickish supreme leader.

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    Of course that happened, that happens every time when you buy things but then don’t own them.

    I’ll buy cams for my home, but they’ll be for ME alone because they’re MY cameras, MY video.

    Obligatory fuck Amazon and fuck the USA

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            Zyklon-B, the pesticide used in the gas chambers, was still being manufactured, sold and used (for its intended pesticide usage) all the way up until the 2010s iirc.

            and this was still under the Zyklon name.

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              Imagine all the jobs that would be lost if we stopped using zyklon b to gas undesirables! Wrings hands.

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            Not that it makes it any better, but at least they tried hiding operation paperclip. Hopefully indicating some kind of shame.

            Volkswagen didn’t even change their name

            Barely changed the logo

            “Yeah we were the nazi car company who helped do the holocaust. That was a doozy. Anyways, wanna buy a nazi car?”

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          If you see what was done to VW, I think it makes sense though. Not really familiar with the histories of the others in relation.

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                You presumably mean that Hugo Boss ‘designed the SS uniform’ — which he didn’t, as he wasn’t a designer and the company wasn’t in fashion design until after his death. The uniform was designed by two dudes in the SS, and Hugo Boss’ company was one of many manufacturers contracted for production.

                Hugo Boss was a member of the Nazi party, though.

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      When do you people WAKE UP? What accountability? What responsibility? When in the last decade plus has any if that happened?

      I’m sure it’s just around the corner…

      Open your damn eyes. The entire planet can see it, why are Americans so blind?l is it intentional? You guys let J6 slide ffs, why would there be an ounce of accountability now or ever? UNREAL

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        It’s very real. This is history repeating itself for the umpteenth time. You aren’t the first, nor will you be the last one to scream into the void about people who have been deliberately disenfranchised by their government with the direct intent of making them toothless against what is essentially a fascist regime.

        The problem is that you’re screaming a lot but not offering actual solutions except a general idea of “Fight!”. That’s not helpful, and it sounds a lot like condescension.

        I understand that you’re expressing frustration and disbelief and anger. But people here are angry too and they are fighting where they can. But as this and other news is very demonstrative of, the system is rigged against them and things get worse in that regard every day.

        App stores removing apps that track ICE. People who share their outrage but not solutions/who don’t boost actual efforts to fight.

        News article that focus solely on the bad part and offer no solutions. The fact that you don’t come across many posts with actual solutions isn’t a it’s intentional. People ignore things that help so they can remain outraged, supercilious, and smug.

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          The problem is that you’re screaming a lot but not offering actual solutions except a general idea of “Fight!”. That’s not helpful, and it sounds a lot like condescension.

          None of this stopped USians from endlessly writing on Reddit for the past four years that Russians should’ve overthrown Putin, and I didn’t see them helping plan a revolution.

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            I have tried to explain to Americans here and on reddit and other places too that the political landscape in Russia is very different and that what we think is possible is all passes through the lens of our own government and country. But people are gonna people.

            For what it’s worth, I don’t agree with those people whole sale either. I recognize that what they’re asking the Russian populace to do is tantamount to a death or slavery sentence.

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          All I’ve heard for 40 years of life is 2a this and 2a that. Turns out it was just an excuse for school shootings and gun nuts to keep their toys. Your answer is staring you in the face, whether you want to acknowledge or not is another thing.

          Do you really believe the traditional channels will be of any use? Or have those already - long, long - been compromised?

          Even if the channels had just been neutered yesterday, do yoy really think Trump would give back an inch? He’ll TACO all day on tariffs, but on human rights violations he is consistent - take and never return.

          You’re platitudes are lovely, and in fairness, not even entirely incorrect. But what you, and eveidently millions and millions of Americans don’t seem to understand, is the milk has already been spilled. The how and the why are for scholars a hundred years from now to sort out. For today, tomorrow and the day after, y’all need to find a way to stop the continous slide. It’s not getting easier next week or the week after.

          Label me WHATEVER you like that gets people’s ASSES IN GEAR. As angry as I am, amazingly enough I am still on your side. I should be flushing every bloody word an American speaks to me straight down the toilet after your Dear Leader and half the country shit on an ally in ways never seen before. Yet here I am, trying to propel you people to acknowlegde the real situation for what it is. Why is that? Truthfully, I’m selfish. I’d love to not have to take up arms to defend my border, but let’s be honest, that’s inevitable if Americans don’t clean up their own shit.

          So before you come and tell me how smug and supercilious I’m being, take a moment to realize this - becuase of your people’s patently obvius shitty decisions, I have to enlist and potentially PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE to defend my country against an ‘ally’. Pardon me for not giving a fuck about your spineless response and pages of assinine commentary.

          GO DO SOMETHING.

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            You fail to understand that this wasn’t an attack on you, but commentary about the state of things and how they look from the inside rather than the outside.

            And as someone who did enlist, I’m gonna just point out something. Your country should never have allowed allyship with the USA to divest you of a fighting force worthy of protecting your own assets, borders, or sovereignty.

            I absolutely don’t agree that the US should be fucking about in any other country. But the entire world never even batted an eye when we were setting up puppet regimes and destabilizing whole countries where brown people live. So you’ll figure me if our problematic behavior has finally landed on your doorstep. I don’t agree with the shit we’ve done in South America, The Middle East, or half a dozen African countries.

            But I also grew up in poverty and found my way out of that through enlistment, so I was part of the problem whether I wanted to be or not.

            I am trying to have empathy for you and people like you while pointing out that our government is literally kidnapping people off the street and essentially using FLOK cameras as legal wiretaps. The people who are doing something need help to boost the signal and people are ignoring them.

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            So before you come and tell me how smug and supercilious I’m being, take a moment to realize this - becuase of your people’s patently obvius shitty decisions, I have to enlist and potentially PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE to defend my country against an ‘ally’.

            “Americans, PUT YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE and take up personal firearms against your own armed federal agents so that I don’t have to enlist and defend my own country, potentially putting my own life on the line! How very fucking dare you make me find my own spine! I should not have to defend my own country!”

            Son, I don’t have to tell you how smug and supercilious you are. Even the shittiest mirror can do it at this point.

            Pardon me for not giving a fuck about your spineless response and pages of assinine commentary.

            Coming from the massive walls of text you just wrote yourself this is just unintentionally hilarious on multiple levels.

            But please, carry on. Don’t let me interrupt you. Huff and puff and tell us all everything you’re absolutely not but THAT OTHER GUY IS!!!1!!1!!!11!!!.

            EDITED TO ADD: Fifteen day old account and sounds exactly like someone else I blocked a couple of weeks ago, lol. I guess the other account just wasn’t getting the traction anymore.

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              Yes, everyone is a bot. You’re right. And this is an alt account. Nice work Sherlock. I guess that makes everything I said incorrect? Because my account is 15 days old? Nice strawman.

              I’ll entertain this so it’s in writing:

              1. I had never heard of Lemmy until a few months ago. Why is that? Because I am actively divesting from US assets and companies. Why is that? Clearly Trump and the last 12 months.
              2. I enjoyed Reddit. Quite a bit. I was reluctant to leave because of all subreddits I’d curated and they have great niche places. Their sports communities are second to none, for example.
              3. I fully admit the first time I tried to setup Lemmy it was a fail. I went back to Reddit for another few months as a result.
              4. Trump continues and continues to insult his allies and the 101 other things he’s done to make humanity worse off than the day before. So again I made a push to divest.
              5. SO I TRIED LEMMY AGAIN. Imagine the horror, I had to make an account at some point. Apologies I wasn’t a super duper early adopter like you were. Frankly, if Trump isn’t President I never show up here at all.

              Wanna run that through ChatGPT to make sure it’s authentic.

              So back to the ACTUAL DISCUSSION POINT: This isn’t about my spine you idiot. I didn’t vote for him and I’m not an American citizen. YOU HAD THE CHANCE. He was voted out and then allowed to return. I had zero ability to influence any of that.

              And because of your countries moral bankruptcy, now we are preparing to defend ourselves against an ‘ally’. Many nations are doing so.

              Just going to ignore all that?

              And finally, I AM PROUD TO SERVE MY COUNTRY. AND I WILL ANSWER THE CALL WHEN THE TIME COMES. Even though I nor my nation had anything to do with the shit storm that is landing on our front step. Also while Americans themselves, who got us to this point, are being trampled on and not standing up for what is right. So yeah, if you guys did anything whatsoever, we wouldn’t be here. He was voted out ffs.

              Back over to your strawman. But before you start again, let’s not forget letting that little J6 thing completely slide by without any consequence… what a joke.

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            There’s a lot of armed people here willing to fight, but without some kind of organized call-to-arms (whether it be militias or state national guard), all that’s gonna happen is you’re going to be arrested and given a 20+ year prison sentence for assault on a federal officer with a deadly weapon. It’s easy to say you’d fight back, but a lot of us have families to provide for and can’t just throw away our lives like that.

            Right now, we’re lacking leadership, and most democrats in power don’t have the balls to openly call for resistance. I don’t know what the future holds, but I feel we’re nearing a breaking point where we might start seeing armed resistance.

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              You are clearly not wrong. However, the question I would return with: if not violence, what mechanism for change will actually move a lever?

              I’m certainly at my most pessimistic moment, but sincerely I don’t see how this changes for your countrymen at this point without violence…? What realistic compromise could we even draw up? The two sides are diametrically opposed. There isn’t common ground because there isn’t even a common reality. The legal system seems righed and there is no leadership. You have touched on some of these points yourself.

              I’ll take a try at what a compromise might look like:

              – Trump agrees to go door to door with Minnesota Police. This gurantees:

              1. The process is done slowly and unchaotically. This is what MN wants.
              2. Every single address is searched and the potential for immigrant removal is near 100%. This is what Trump wants.

              This solution would save lives, but also give up significant civil liberties. It’s the best I can think up. Hopefully you are more creative than I am.

              My last comment: I too have a family. And many extended family. And friends across Canada. It is on behalf of these people that I’m so passionate. And I can also appreciate your concerns also because of these same people. These are two sides of the same coin.