- In your Gmail app, go to Settings.
- Select your Gmail address.
- Clear the Smart features checkbox.
- Go to Google Workspace smart features.
- Clear the checkboxes for: Smart features in Google Workspace, Smart features in other Google products
- If you have more Gmail accounts, repeat these steps for each one.
- Turning off Gemini in Gmail also disables basic, long-standing features like spellchecking, which predate AI assistants. This design choice discourages opting out and shows how valuable your AI-processed data is for Google.
This has finally gotten me to take steps to deGoogle my email, Fastmail trial underway.
That’s assuming the setting is respected server-side, of course. With the track record of company doing AI training, respect of rules and law isn’t really part of their actions.
All the suggestions in this thread are good, but for anyone who doesn’t want to self-host or change providers entirely (because changing your email is an absolute pain in the ass):
At least get a different mail client. You don’t have to use the official Gmail App to access Gmail! I personally really like FairEmail, because it’s open source, has no unnecessary bells and whistles, and just works. It takes less than 5mins to download it and move Gmail over there completely, with no risk of losing any data or missing any mails.
Or Thunderbird, I use that with my yahoo email ive had for 20 years. I cant get rid of it at this point ha
I’m slowly moving my accounts over from gmail to protonmail.
Privacy should be the default, not the exception.
It is very freeing seeing updates that don’t affect me much since I’ve moved on from gmail.
Proton has their own AI bullshit:
At least it’s not rummaging around your email though.
And just so you know, it is not end-to-end encrypted like their email is when emailing another Proton user: https://lumo.proton.me/legal/privacy
The only way to have actually private AI is to run it on your own hardware.
Its good to clarify that it’s not end to end encrypted like their email because its not clear from their marketing wording that its not. Its very easy to presume “encrypted” is the same encryption process they are known for on their email.
The flip side of that coin is that it is a separate tool you don’t have to use. You can choose to use as many or few of their products as you wish (its not forced on you).
It’s also a plus that there is SOME encryption and attempts at privacy vs every other alternative besides self hosting.
I’ve personally found lumo to be very useful in troubleshooting computer issues that I’m unfamiliar with. I’ve learned a lot from using it, and the researching was faster than scouring forums myself and presented to me in a single pane. Its just a tool similar to a web browser. I choose a browser that helps me be private and I choose an AI tool that does the same, but I don’t expect either to actually keep me private.
I don’t necessarily have a problem with offering AI. Especially in actually-useful contexts. I have a problem with it being forced on me in unwanted ones.
I have a problem with encryption possibly being a thing of the past because users I write with will put all incoming messages through some LLM because they can‘t be arsed to actually read and reply themselves.
Since when does email have encryption?
I mean in general. It doesn‘t matter what you use because the AI software will be installed on their phones.
Yes and no. If we’re talking about email, that’s completely different from Lumo, and can either be run locally or server-side with encryption, which is then immediately deleted.
https://proton.me/support/proton-scribe-writing-assistant#privacy
But I mean email is generally not private anyway.
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Ooooorrrrrr… You knowww… Delete or stop using your google account and their services?
Because if what actually bothers you is the idea that Google is spying on your things with Gemini…
First: lol. lmao even.
Second: Sorry for the laugh, but that’s because I believe that they don’t need gemini to do that, they do it anyway regardless of your settings.
Case in point, last year google was sentenced to pay a fine because they were collecting data from their users, even though those users had tracking turned off in their settings. And I believe it wasn’t the first time, but I can’t be arsed to search for older examples.
An ad company that has trackers almost everywhere on the web and tracks you even if you’re not using their services, that understanding and studying your behaviour is a central part of their business model; and you believe that they won’t spy and track you because you asked them not to? C’mon
Degoogling your self is a process and needs to be handled carefully. Realisticly, this quite difficult if your not a fruit phone user, but there is hope for people who arn’t neck deep in Apples walled garden. GraphenOS announced last year they would be expanding their range of supported devices. [Link]
Once that happens, closing the ol’ google account will be much easier or atleast use a modern smart phone without having it tied to the tornent nexus.
Yeah, this is one of those cases where we can’t let perfection be the enemy of action. I myself I’m in the middle of degoogling as well, and it’s a process that is taking a few months now (and will take some more).
But even if you use a googled android and still use some of their services, simply not defaulting to them for everything goes a long way. Use other browsers, use other search engines, use other email providers, etc.
But the point I was making was more about the privacy side of things. I don’t believe that leaving those AI features on or off makes that much difference at the end of the day. Google will still spy on your content, and if they want to, they will use it for AI training regardless.
I know that their policies and whatnot might say differently, but I don’t trust that they respect them.
Thanks. Yes, Google had been evil for a long time, probably before they removed “don’t be evil.” No, let’s not be gatekeepers.
I did all that ages ago and re-confirmed, it’s still all disabled…
But Gemini persists:
The hell? How can that be?
The billion-dollar company pays a lot of people to abuse its customers.
After getting into web development, I realize that no abusive tactic is an accident.
Definitely not accidental, no.
What the column has you do is disable Gemini access in Mail, but it is still on for search.
https://tuta.com/blog/how-to-disable-gemini-on-android
Tuta is always pretty quick to report on these things. 🙂
LOL I did and these fuckers decided to disable my widget. It only shows my inbox as empty. Yeah I definitely need to continue my de-googlifying.
I’d like to invite you to try https://port87.com/
It’s proudly AI free.
Discord
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Yeah, I really should sit down and create a Matrix server for it.
I am happy I don’t need google products for anything. I have been using Mailfence for several years and been fine with it. For folks who can leave gmail, there are multiple good options, at least for email.
Step 1: Use an open source mail client that doesn’t contain trackers like FairEmail instead of Google’s app.
Step 2 (optional but recommended): Get another email service that respects privacy.
Or… Migrate to another email service provider?
Like I said, working on it. But you know, this evening do I try to dismantle ICE, cook dinner, play a game, or research email providers? Lots of competing priorities in life, let’s celebrate the wins.
