know who never pushed AI?
Linux.
know who has fixes or useful community support?
Linux.
know who doesn’t scan your desktop every second to scrape your data?
Linux.
know who has the audacity to provide a free product and still doesn’t sell your identity to the lowest bidders?
Linux.
holy shit, it’s almost like Linux is the OS by the people for the people…
i don’t believe it and am no longer giving them the chance to allow me to see it.
I think the best way to turn people on to Linux is to give them a bootable live USB, so they can try it out. Otherwise, they have no basis for comparison.
Too many people just accept whatever Microsoft gives them, shrug and think, “Well, I guess this is just the way computers are.”
The best way from my perspective is to show them.
At tech events and meetups, I’m showing them Linux.
When my friends come over, I show them my self hosted solutions on a Linux.
At work, where we use Macs, we talk about open-source, including Linux.
Microsoft hasn’t made a decent OS since Windows 7, why would they start now?
Agreed. 2000 was fantastic, but that was 9 years before 7. Its been 17 years since 7.
I was a big fan of XP too
XP is still good! still the only windows version that’s reverse compatible with DOS.
People have too much rose tinted vision about 7, it really wasn’t that great. I don’t see anything it does better than w11, and if you have modern hardware (I mean like 2015+) your computer is being held back by w7. Sure it’s technically more light weight but it lacks support for modern hardware and any modern computer will by choked by w7 where w11 or Linux would run significantly better.
God I still remember how many people still screamed about Windows 7 and getting rid of XP. You can definitely tell the age of people based off of what Windows OS they claim is best.
For real I cut my teeth on vista and grew up largely with w7, I can’t hold 7 on a pedestal though.
If you think that Windows 7 was overrated, you’re naive and completely oblivious to the state of Windows during that era. XP came out in 2001 and Vista in 2007, during a time personal computer improvements were exploding. That’d be like 20 years nowadays. Vista was a bloated and slow mess that even modern hardware could barely run efficiently. Windows 7 righted the wrongs and made massive performance improvements that Vista lacked, and not just for modern hardware at the time, but legacy hardware was revived.
Arguing that Windows 7 doesn’t support modern hardware is so asinine and a straw-man argument. No one was making an argument that Windows 7 is a good OS today, not a single person. What we are arguing is that every OS since 7 has been a half-baked mess with tons of bugs and annoyances.
“I don’t see anything it does better than w11”. You think the lack of unified interface is equal to windows 7? You think the disaster of a start menu is equal to windows 7? You think forced updates is better? You think the abundance of telemetry is better?
Honestly, have you even used Windows 7?
Ok but windows didn’t make a good os with windows 7. Everybody thinks 7 was so grand because after years of updates they un fucked it enough to be good. Do u remember being stuck 2/3rds of the way in a w7 install for eternity? It simply not taking and having to start over? For the first 2 years I swear to God you couldn’t use any printer with it. We kept a vista computer around because it fucking worked better till the 7 bugs got worked out. Windows 11 is now 4 years old, and I’d argue as solid as w7 was at that age too (if we look past the shoving unneeded crap down your throat bit that all can be disabled if you’d bother). I don’t remember the early days of vista as that’s what I grew up on, but early w7 days were rough too. I’m just trying to say that I don’t remember a non half baked os being released from windows, not sure what you think im trying to straw man here.
I’m a bit confused by your criticism. Windows 7 came out in 2009, Windows 8 came out in 2012. And your criticism of Windows 7 is that it doesn’t run great with modern hardware? Microsoft not optimizing an old operating system for new hardware when it’s focusing on a new version, to me, isn’t a reflection on the quality or design of the old operating system. To me that’s like criticizing DOS for being limited to 640kb of memory. It was designed for the hardware available at the time.
There’s a threshold that you pass and once you do there’s no going back because the trust is lost forever and customers will go the next chance they get.
It looks like this is finally the point we might have reached with windows.
The Trust Thermocline
Yes that, thanks!
Yes. In Windows 12.
It’s going to be massively worse in Windows 12. There is no going back for them.
No they aren’t. They don’t care.
That was my reaction when I read about them pulling copilot and such. I think it’s probably the reaction of every software nerd.
What sucks is - windows is the easiest to jump off. There are tons of viable alternatives.
There is nothing for mobile.
For mobile I can’t recommend Graphene enough. Freedom from Google with no draw backs.
Assuming you have self control about keeping shite apps off your mobile, fastest and most private option there is.
Only thing holding me back is game companies not empowering stuff like battlefield
I daily drive Linux for work, just use windows to play some games in the evening
I mean. There ARE mobile os options. Just you need to have very specific phones, and they’re all old and outdated tech.
they’re all old and outdated tech.
You can put graphene os on the newest pixel if you really want. Imo, you shouldn’t be giving Google the money anyway. Makes more sense to buy an older refurbished pixel from a trusted 3rd party. The newer phones are not really major increases in tech anymore anyway. I’m still rocking a pixel 6 pro and it feels functionally equivalent to the newer phones but it’s 5 years old.
I don’t want to do anything with Google. Definitely don’t trust their hardware.
Look. Israeli child molesters waited 10 years before activating lebanese explosive pagers. I don’t trust Google just giving out free code only on their devices for some reason, as if they know there is something else on hardware level. Google lost all the trust and food will I ever had
And lineage has pretty good compatibility too, but we’re talking about mobile OSs outside the big two, Android and iOS. In that context, the device compatibility list is significantly shorter, and even the newer phones listed are ~10yr old hardware, or if newer severely underpowered compared to not even flagship phones available 5 or more years ago.
I really really want a viable Linux phone, but the device range isn’t there, and there’s still a lot lacking in functionality. Currently what’s on offer isn’t ready for general population daily use.
Yup, and getting fewer every day.
There are some projects (postmarketOS and half a dozen people forking it for other distros) trying to get kernel and drivers worked out, Linux is still sadly lacking at a bunch of the best tricks Android and IOS use to save power (most notably freezing applications), we’ll get there eventually.
The Halium stuff +Ubuntu ports works if all you’re worried about is privacy and as you said have a supported phone.
Postmarket can’t make it through the morning on a charge. Halium is Android kernel and drivers and also has power issues if you decide to run android apps. Neither one can do anything with NFC.
But they do exist. It does give me hope that people are actively working on these projects, useless for daily driving or not. In a better timeline we’d have more than 2 properly viable mobile OS options.
Yeah, I guess I came off more negative than hopeful. Supposedly on of the big phone makers is partnering with someone doing pocket linux, and there’s Furi, Jolla and Volla. The real shining star is the EU rights causing (many/most/all?) phones there to be able to be unlocked and open to flashing. But open for the US is getting much more rare, and with oneplus’ recent hardware fuse breaking on flashing, I’m just feeling like (amongst many other things here) we’re losing the battle to privacy and open hardware.
Nah, you’re good bud 👍.
Honestly, while I am hopeful, it’s hard to be positive about the current state of alternative mobile OS. Everything not based on android feels like a proof of concept. We’re at the early adopters stage, but I can’t bring myself to get on board when there’s not really a great option. And device support, I already have my current daily driver, plus my old phone as a backup, and the phone before that too. None of which are supported by any of the projects, and even as something to play around with I can’t bring myself to buy ANOTHER phone. 🤷
Too little to late… I already left and fell in love with Linux
Welcome! Isn’t it a breath of fresh air to use an OS that isn’t trying to turn your computer into an advertising and upselling platform? It has its issues, but it’s a huge relief to escape the constant inundation from Microsoft.
(Obligatory: I use arch BTW)
Fucking Arch Users – The Tesla Owners of the Linux World
But thankfully with no Elon
Welcome to the club buddy! we’ve been waiting for you!
Same here. Got fed up after every damned update to subscribe to this, want to setup backup to cloud, setup office. Switched to Linux and now not a single subscription popup in sight. It’s been bliss. Spent the weekend with the misses sorting out 30 years of photos and getting to know exif editor 🫣
[edit] exif not exit editor.
Same here, only 9 years ago. On the not so bright side, every few months I go in a distro hopping frenzy for a day or 2 but it’s fine, since any distro installed takes me at most 15 minutes.
Exactly
Windows 11 felt like a downgrade before all the AI bs. Microsoft values me more as an advertising opportunity than a customer.
I had avoided it until late last year when I had to reinstall a friend’s borked install after it had somehow managed to shred its registry hives.
Holy shit. That installer is an embarrassment. First it couldn’t get past the first reboot until I found out that you can set it to use what looks like the Windows 7 installer for the first steps. Then I had to deal with a dog slow installer that needs half a dozen reboots for some unfathomable reason. Then an endless cavalcade of sales prompts, including one for an Office subscription where they try to hide the price from you. All to end in, well, Windows 11.
I simultaneously installed Fedora Kinoite on his old laptop. I don’t think the Fedora installer is one of the better ones but it was so much easier and faster to set up the machine that it was almost comical.
Seeing both systems side by side really drives home just how clunky Windows is. And how Microsoft installers are barely better than they were 15 years ago, but now they have ads.
Do you believe them that they gonna stop AI? It’s a billion investment that needs results for the shareholders!
Oh no, we thought results were for the next CEO to worry about!
*next CEO is an AI scapegoat
Microsoft’s promises to fix the OS and stop pushing AI
Never heard such a promise.
Windows 11 feels like Microsoft is actively punishing me for being foolish enough to keep using their products. Adding some janky AI bullshit machine to this garbage fire feels now they’re just taking the piss.
No joke, one of the last straws for me was their stupid copilot popup on the active cell in Excel. Hated that garbage. Also their refusal to let me just use the file explorer to save my files. Maybe I’m an old fogey, but every new addition felt like a step backwards. I have now switched to Linux and am having a decent time (not for everyone tho and I totes understand if others don’t want to make the switch).
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i’ll never see it because i’m never using windows again
I stopped seeing all the copilot ai crap after I removed it from my windows 11 computer. Not sure what versions of windows people on here are running but I’m glad it’s not on my PC! It is unfortunate that windows needs to be debloated if you buy home version instead of enterprise (a mistake I made), if they keep making users need to tweak stuff they’ll be better off on linux soon! Windows was supposed to be the idiot proof for office drones but it appears those days are gone.
Same!
I’m currently building my business to be platform agnostic.
For the most part I’m using open source for everything that can be.
Bow that I think of it, the only non-open source stuff I use are zoom, outlook (need it for shared inboxes), and my payment processor. I doubt I will move on from these platforms as their value is really good. Zoom is the only one I may transition away from from as costs grow.
