A federal judge in West Virginia has given the Trump administration an ultimatum: Stop illegally detaining immigrants or face contempt rulings and “monetary sanctions against responsible officials.”
“Today, the Government continues to wrongfully detain those petitioners without due process,” [Goodwin’s] opinion reads. “Even now the Government incredulously asserts that the federal district courts do not have jurisdiction, that petitioners cannot raise due process violations, and that the Government has authority to mandatorily and indefinitely detain noncitizens in the local jail. The Government is wrong. Judges in this district have said that over and over and over again. I have said it myself.”
This is one year overdue. Just fucking do it!!!
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Courts mean nothing if no one enforces their rulings.
Judge: “Police, I demand you arrest these police!”
Oooh! The strongly worded letters are getting even more strongly worded!
Is this better or worse than a “slam”? What about a “blast”?
“Politician Ignites Explosive Firestorm With Routine Decision as Critics Slam Controversial Move, Outrage Erupts Nationwide, Panic Surges Over Alleged Hidden Agenda and Demands for Answers Detonate Across a Shocked Public”
Translation:
“A politician carried out a routine administrative action. A small number of opponents criticized the choice publicly. Some people posted complaints online. Nothing about the situation indicates any misconduct.”
quit warning and do!
‘Monetary Sanctions’
Fuck you; ISSUE ARREST WARRANTS YOU SPINELESS CUNT
You can only issue arrest warrants for criminal contempt, meaning Trump can just issue a pardon. Civil contempt isn’t subject to the pardon power.
And the people to issue the contempt judgements against aren’t Trump and team. They need to issue them to the foot soldiers. It sounds weak, but it’s effective.
I work in in the development department of a very small municipality that’s an enclave for the mega-rich. Literally 100% of households are at least multi-millionaires. The average new house being built is about 8 million dollars. That means that when we Rey tonfine homeowners for illegal shit, it means nothing because they can just write a check if they don’t want to comply.
So we’ve recently changed tactics on code enforcement. We start by telling them to stop and issuing a citation to the owners, but when they don’t we fine the individual workers on site and if things aren’tcleaned up we start to cite them each $500/day until they start to comply. It didn’t take long until the rich assholes couldn’t find workers willing to do their bidding.
hilarious that they pay the fine to get the thing but won’t pay someone else’s smaller fine to get the thing out of sheer moneybrain
So instead of something like proportional fines related to the value of the properties, you’ve fucked over the working class for violations that they didn’t commit, didn’t know about, and likely had no control over? Do you have any idea what an unexpected $500, $1000, or $1500 bill can do to a family that is struggling? Are these fines even legal? What types of violations by the rich are the working class being made to pay for? Do you also send warnings to the workers before taking their money, or do the owners get a warning and you just hope they tell everyone else? I find this little story completely abhorrent and I hope some of these workers sue your organization and get their money back.
You can tell the trully advanced countries from the backwards ones by them having fines which are proportional to income/wealth rather than fixed.
The only ones I know which are the former are in Scandinavia.
The UK theoretically also has that for Court fines (it’s in the conviction guidance, which means it’s optional), but in practice not really.
You think a municipality can issue proportional fines just because it wants to? They don’t write the laws.
This happens all the time even on the federal level. My company just ate a several thousand $ fine because we were working on a site where the plumbers didn’t mark an open pit while plumbing a mop sink. We were the HVAC contractors working on the roof. We were not even working in the same area and had no way of knowing what the plumbers were doing. OSHA didn’t care. Every company who was working the job got hit with a fine for continuing work on an unsafe site. It’s complete bullshit but, at the same time, everyone onsite is going to think twice about ever working with those plumbers again. So even though it’s complete and utter shit, it is probably the most effective tool at their disposal with current laws.
Fines are more civil and not subject to pardon.
State criminal charges are not subject to federal pardons either.
This is a federal judge, can she rule on state charges?
Isn’t there more to it than that because these are federal agents? Asking.
Depending on circumstances, federal agents can be charged with state crimes.
Who gives a fuck about showing the Nazis civility? Punch them in the dicks and take their shit
I think they meant civil versus criminal rather than nice vs mean.
I think you’re both right.
Fair enough. That isn’t how I interpreted the comment but you could be right
Yes
But, we’re paying them
Wow, a fine! That’ll surely teach Trump that fascism isn’t welcome! Perhaps attach a strongly worded letter to the payment order, too!
It’ll come on very serious looking letterhead! Don’t make the course bust out the bigger stamp, it’ll use anton of ink and be very scary.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Even so, it won’t be enforced.
I’m giving “explicit notice” for the entire judicial system to EAT MY ASS. Fucking do something already. This continual warning bullshit has worked wonders so far. FUCK.
For real. The order itself is the fucking warning.
The Trump admin are shaking in their boots at this FINAL NOTICE. They better watch their step or they might be getting a FINAL FINAL NOTICE next!
Final-final-for-real-FINAL-USETHISONE-5.docx
Watch out guys. i think they mean it this time. For really really real. Not kidding around any more.
The DHS will use any notices of contempt and sanctions as toilet paper as soon as they are done passing around the constitution.
Quick question unrelated to the article. Is that white thing on trumps glass an anti dribble sippy cup type lid?
Those are little paper toppers to keep things from falling in the glass. We can pretend it’s a sippy topper for kicks though.
As much as that would be hilarious… no when water is set out ahead of time they’ll put a little paper cover on the tops of the glasses to get dust or whatever from getting in there. Now as to why he clearly hadn’t drunk from that glass… 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
Can’t be sure it’s not poisoned. Or it’s not brawndo.
At this point, I feel like the only thing they will listen to is on the spot executions.
That’s a testable hypothesis!
Nobody copies the French and the French copy nobody.
We COULD if we wanted to.
It’s still extremely unusual for district judges to title a section of their order “Final Notice”.
