Leaders seek a diplomatic solution despite US president’s threat of ‘a very bad future’ for NATO unless it provides warships
European countries have ruled out sending warships to the strait of Hormuz, despite threats from Donald Trump that NATO faces “a very bad future” if members fail to help reopen the vital waterway.
Germany ruled out participation in any military activity, including efforts to reopen the strait. “There was never a joint decision on whether to intervene. That is why the question of how Germany might contribute militarily does not arise. We will not do so,” the chancellor, Friedrich Merz, said.
He added: “This Iranian regime must come to an end,” but that “based on all the experience we have gained in previous years and decades, bombing it into submission is, in all likelihood, not the right approach.”
Europe is correct. It was never consulted by Trump before he bombed Iran. This is the proposal that Europe should offer Iran. Iran will be allowed to continue its nuclear program as long as it’s for peaceful purposes. Iran must agree to be strictly monitored for compliance. If Iran agrees to the proposal, all sanctions would be immediately lifted. Any violation would result in invasion by Europe and any other countries willing to participate. The proposal would seem pointless if the US doesn’t approve. No, because at least the world would know that Iran is willing to accept some type of deal. Also, Europe would lift its sanctions against Iran. The proposal should be brought before the UN. If many countries approve, it will put pressure on the US and Israel to approve.
Neither America nor Israel can be trusted to uphold any agreement and Europe has shown it will always bend over to America and Israel rather than leverage it’s power and push back for the sake of saving an agreement - even one of this importance - with a 3rd party.
Europe has to demonstrate having a spine and some fucking honor when it comes to America before it’s trusted as a counterparty to such an agreement and, at the moment, at least the EU Commission has repeatedly shown that they’re little more than boot-lickers when comes to America.
The conditions that made such an agreement a great idea have been destroyed by America’s betray and Europe’s half-hearted pushback.
The US and Israel don’t have to agree. Europe could independently make the deal with Iran. This would show what type of deal Iran is willing to accept. Europe would end its sanctions meaning it could start purchasing items including oil from Iran. Other countries could agree with the deal putting pressure on the US and Israel to accept it.
Trust is a lot easier to lose than it is to gain and Europe has lost a lot of trust when it sided with the US when Trump unilaterally exited the last agreement and imposed sanctions.
Further, continued submissive compliance behaviors from Europe towards the US in all manner of things (for example, Tariffs) aren’t exactly helping building in others the trust that in the future Europe will stand fast in such tri-party agreements when America unilaterally tears then down: if Europe won’t even play hardball towards America when an American Administration goes back on bilateral agreements with Europe itself, it will certainly not do so in the interest of a third party in a trilateral agreement involving it and America.
America can’t be trusted because it’s a ultra-nationalist and imperialist country with a growing Fascist side and Europe can’t be trusted because it acts as a spinless coward that won’t even stand-up for itself, much less for others.
If Europe makes the deal I proposed independent of the US and consequently, incurring the wrath of Trump, Iran will see that Europe is growing a spine. Europe could tell Iranian leaders that it is willing to go out on a limb for them.
I don’t think anything short of making the US lose face will work.
So, it depends on the details of the deal and the reaction of Europe to any push-back from America - Europe has to treat the expressed wishes of America as irrelevant and if America actually pushes back (such as with Tariffs, as has become Trump’s default mode of pressure) it cannot bend in any way form or shape.
Personally from all I’ve seen I believe that at least the EU Commission is unable to act thus and invariably appeases and even supports America and its interests.
I already gave details of the detail but will repeat it. Iran will be allowed to continue its nuclear program as long as it’s for peaceful purposes. Iran must agree to be strictly monitored for compliance. If Iran agrees to the proposal, all sanctions would be immediately lifted. Any violation would result in invasion by Europe and any other countries willing to participate.
Europe must ignore Trump. Most of the world would support Europe. That is a loss of face for Trump.
What a dumb proporsal. The day the current nulcear powers get rid of their nukes i will support Iran not having a nuke
The fewer countries having nuclear weapons means the less likely one will be used.
The mosy likely to use one is Israel. How about if israel do not get rid of it’s nukes. All countries should invade Israel?
The problem is that Israel already has nuclear weapons.
then if israel use a nuke , nuke them back
No country will agree to that. Make proposals that have a chance of succeeding.
As if your first proposal was realistic lol. Israel can’t nuke countries that have more nukes then Israel even if they invade Israel
Yes, my proposal is realistic. It is a way for Iranian leaders to remain in power while saving face because they can simply claim that their nuclear program was always for peaceful purposes.
In light of the Holocaust, do you think any countries would use nuclear weapons on Israel? Do you think the US would ever abandon Israel?
So everything pre-us invasion? The EU sanctions have very little to do with nuclear and more with human rights and Irans involvement with Russia as far as I know.
Maybe they should have nukes now, just to stop Israel and us from invading. Dont get me wrong, I dont think anyone should have nuclear bombs, but the nations that have them are all land grabbing asshats and if that stops from invasions. Also how would you make Iran accept this offer? Whats in it for them?
Stuxnet was probably more effective in stopping Irans nuclear power.
The sanctions pre russia invasion was always about iran not being a western ally and an enemy to the usa proxy israel. It had nothing to do with human right abuses otherwise saudi arabia would be sanctionned too
Don’t worry about human rights as long as Iran isn’t committing genocide like Nazi Germany. The important thing is to stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. Iran will accept the deal because it saves its leaders face. They can just say that they always only wanted nuclear power for peaceful purposes. Europe would end its sanctions. If other countries agree with the deal, it will put pressure on the US and Israel to agree.