“I hate x.”
-“No you don’t!”
These people are fucking insane.
If we say we don’t like and it looks hideous, what exactly are we wrong about? “Actually you really love it!” Fuck off, you can’t force us to like your slop no matter how much you try to shove it down our throats.
You’ll need two 5090 cards anyway.
Cant even afford one haha my trusty 2070 super still works great for my needs.
I wonder how much power two 5090s would draw?🤔
Energy bill through the roof I guess.
My desktop with a 3080 draws more than my homelab R740s even the one with a Quadro. Two 5090s would probably use more than the whole rack.
I’m actually happy I can’t afford this bullshit.
I think the straw man claim was that it’s AI slop, and Huang said we’re wring, because AI is deeply integrated into the rendering pipeline.
I don’t know how nuanced the definition of “AI slop” is these days, but to me, it seems to refer to any content generated by AI directly for consumption. If that’s the definition you’re using, then this product does produce AI slop, because the art is materially altered from what the game’s art direction put in there, as can clearly be seen in the example side by side image comparisons. The differences clearly exceed simple lighting and texture changes, and the lighting it does alter does not appear to adhere to the same light source as the unaltered images, creating more detail at the expense of accuracy to the original content. It is the difference between “make me an image clearer than this” vs. “make this image clearer”.
I agree with you, this is an AI slop filter, but the main critique I’ve seen was about it changing the piece of art to something the artist didn’t intend (kind of the second half of your reply), that’s why I said he argues against a straw man.
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment and thought you were suggesting that Huang thought arguments against his point were the straw man argument, which doesn’t seem to be the case to me.
Huang seems to be suggesting that since the AI work is happening further down in the rendering pipeline, rather than reskinning it after rendering, makes it not count as AI slop, which is ridiculous.
If I am cooking a recipe to make something, it doesn’t matter if the recipe calls for adding shit to the top or if I just pour some shit on after it is cooked. It still has shit all over it.
All good, my reply was a bit ambiguous in that concern.
I agree, calling that feature “not AI slop” can only be explained by the fact that he’s the CEO and has to sell that garbage.
I miss when tech was fun…
There’s no way this is gonna be optional. They’re not being picky about where they put AI, these companies are putting it everywhere. Nvidia GPU’s are going to do this to every game whether the player wants it or not, whether the developer asks it to or not.
It’s optional to buy new gpus and games that require them.
It’s optional not to buy a car but it certainly limits your access to things.
new
New is the key word here.
Buying new boosts sales metrics, incentives investors & management, and is blissful consumerism.
We should be boycotting all companies that we don’t agree with. And NVIDIA is a department of war contractor and American Regime mega donor.
If you actually need something, and it’s possible to need a GPU, then you can buy second hand from within your community. Try to buy as local as possible, look for things like surplus office equipment or at local repair shops.
In your example of a car, buying a used car is also better than buying a new car in many ways, especially since cars made before 2014 were not able to surveil you.
Boycott bad companies / practices, and stop consuming the latest slop they put in the trough.
New is the key word here.
That’s fair, it isn’t how i read it but i can see it’s importance now you’ve pointed it out.
We should be boycotting all companies that we don’t agree with. And NVIDIA is a department of war contractor and American Regime mega donor.
This is nice in theory but the practical application is difficult.
I can get into it, but it’s a common conversation i have on here, almost all of modern society is built on horrific shit, where is the line?
Is it first order disagreements like this NVIDIA boycott, or is it second order as well ? Meaning any company that willingly works with NVIDIA or explicitly buys new NVIDIA gpu’s ?
It’s not a trick question, I’m trying to gauge what you meant by that statement.
To be clear, i’m not saying to do nothing, i’m trying to figure out where your line is and why.
If you actually need something, and it’s possible to need a GPU, then you can buy second hand from within your community. Try to buy as local as possible, look for things like surplus office equipment or at local repair shops.
That’s fair, though i would add a caveat to say “where possible”
As a concrete example, GPU’s right now are ridiculous which means the secondhand market is tight, if your timeframe/need is also tight then it might not be possible to always do the “right thing™”.
In your example of a car, buying a used car is also better than buying a new car in many ways, especially since cars made before 2014 were not able to surveil you.
Agreed.
Why pick 2014, was there some regulatory requirement introduced then ?
Boycott bad companies / practices, and stop consuming the latest slop they put in the trough.
See my question about lines above.
I think these are all good questions to ask ourselves.
Is it first order disagreements like this NVIDIA boycott, or is it second order as well ? Meaning any company that willingly works with NVIDIA or explicitly buys new NVIDIA gpu’s ?
It’s going to depend on your interest or ability to research. However, if one were to simply buy used items when possible, or choose a brand one thinks aligns with themselves after some research, I think that’s a good start.
GPU’s right now are ridiculous which means the secondhand market is tight, if your timeframe/need is also tight then it might not be possible to always do the “right thing™”.
If one thinks they might need compromise their morals, I think they should really consider their options. I’d rather pay full price for an old used GPU than give nvidia any money, but that’s my personal opinion.
Why pick 2014
I think this is just because car companies weren’t yet starting to surveil their drivers as part of a new revenue stream until 2014. You can read more about it.
- It’s Official: Cars Are the Worst Product Category We Have Ever Reviewed for Privacy
- How to Figure Out What Your Car Knows About You (and Opt Out of Sharing When You Can)
Personally, I’ve removed myself from the American market about as much as I can while still living in the USA.
I’ve divested from American stocks.
I try to make/grow my own whenever possible, and rely on my local community more. I even started a community regenerative farm.
If I do think I need to buy something new, I try to either buy European, Japanese, or from a few other choice markets depending on the product, like South America for specialty wood and coffee direct from as small a manufacturer as possible.
I don’t expect everyone to live like this, not everyone has the luxury. But I do hope people atleast try to not pay companies that harm them.
It’s going to depend on your interest or ability to research. However, if one were to simply buy used items when possible, or choose a brand one thinks aligns with themselves after some research, I think that’s a good start.
Agreed.
Tony’s Chocolonely is a good example of this, it’s not that they are 100% there but they explain why certain decisions were made so i can decide for myself if it’s enough.
If one thinks they might need compromise their morals, I think they should really consider their options. I’d rather pay full price for an old used GPU than give nvidia any money, but that’s my personal opinion.
I do know what you mean, i’m just not 100% sure where the morals/ethics line is supposed to go.
I’m not amoral it just seems like people arbitrarily draw lines and they seem so certain.
I’m not sure where that certainty comes from, because i don’t have it.
I think this is just because car companies weren’t yet starting to surveil their drivers as part of a new revenue stream until 2014. You can read more about it.
interesting, thanks.
I don’t expect everyone to live like this, not everyone has the luxury. But I do hope people atleast try to not pay companies that harm them.
I kind of agree, but this is the kind of thing i mean, almost all companies harm them in some way, from business practices to supply chain, workforce, political donations, equipment purchases, environmental concerns.
I’m not a crazy person, i understand there is a difference between the local corner store buying a bigger truck than they need vs bezos draining whole water tables so he can buy another spaceship, it’s just how people pick the hills to die on in the middle that’s confusing to me.
I have something i use but it’s contextual and inconsistent and by no means gives me the kind of certainty i see in other people.
i’m just not 100% sure where the morals/ethics line is supposed to go.
I’m not amoral it just seems like people arbitrarily draw lines and they seem so certain.
You have to draw your own lines, ones that are important to you. You shouldn’t let others tell you where does lines are.
As Martin Luther King Jr said:
Ultimately you must do right because it’s right to do right. . . . You must do it because it has gripped you so much that you are willing to die for it if necessary. And I say to you this morning, that if you have never found something so dear and so precious to you that you will die for it, then you aren’t fit to live.
Yeah if you need your GPU to go to the shops, or to work, or to visit your family, that would certainly suck.
Putting aside the fact that i was in no way claiming you could do all the exact same things with a car as you could with a GPU.
There are in fact jobs that require a dedicated gpu.
No, but you likened lacking a GPU to lacking a care in terms of stuff you would thereby be unable to do. I was making the comparison explicit.
I certainly did not say that nobody needs a GPU for their work.
Fair enough
It’s possible to need a GPU for work and other functions. But you never need a new anything.
If you need a car to do those things that also sucks.
In general, needing something to do something you want to do is annoying.
Limits your access to impound lots and repo men.
Jobs, social activities, entertainment, groceries, non-emergency medical care.
Don’t get me wrong, cars are a shitty necessity to have, but they are a necessity in some places.
If you want to argue that society should change so this isn’t true, I’m right there with you, but it’s not the reality of now.
I lived well into my 30s without a car. Saved me enough money to buy a house. Not a down payment. buy.
So I’m going to check first, you understand that there are jobs and/or situations that require a car right ?
Edit: I phrased that poorly, not an attack, genuine question.
I’d add that “requirement” is relative. My city’s bus system has stops near enough to cover my home and work, so you could say a car is not required for the route. However, using the bus system would turn my 20 minute (10 minutes one way) daily commute into 3 hours. That’s just too impractical to consider.
It’s not that they’re going to force it, It’s just a numbers game. Right now because of AMD’s complete and utter incompetence in all aspects of the GPU market, Nvidia controls 95% of the market.
Developers are going to support the biggest bang for the buck here and implement DLSS 5, AI Slop because that’s what the market has and publishers are going to make them leverage all of DLSS 5 because shareholder value and doing more with less people.
End result, I agree though, is the same though, none of this shit will be optional, but for different reasons I think.
It’s crazy watching amd snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
I bought a new gaming laptop just before the rampocalypse started. It was impossible to find one with an AMD GPU where I live so I was pretty much forced to buy one with an Nvidia card. The CPU is AMD though, 'cause fuck Intel as well.
How so? They can‘t force you to checks notes buy two 5090s to run this crap. I mean have you seen hardware prices? There is no market for this.
Oh no you cant afford it? Ive got good news! You can play it on the cloud!
With a peripheral that takes quarters, and so the circle closes.
DLSS - a solution devised by moronic suits to solve a problem other moronic suits created.
I miss when video games were made so we could experience the vision of the developers. I also miss when the games made were optimized (at least somewhat) for the user experience and not cranked out sloppily for investors.
If they don’t stop digging this slop hole any deeper, I won’t be coming back.
Heck my 7900xtx is serving me plenty well and my Ryzen processor is doing more than enough.
Seeing how my old lower specced pc lasted me 11 years I figure this one might be able to chug along for a few more at this point.
Me happy with my intel arc
That is 5% owned by Nvidia.
Nvidia is 100% owned by nvidia
(maybe not, though)
However, they continually lend their money to their biggest customers, none of whom have managed to use that stuff to make a dime yet, so their chances of actually getting their money back, which is rivaling the GDP of many countries at this point, are just about zero.
With all these companies having presold future hardware, data centers and compute to each other, it’s a bit of a mess.
“I am not Satan” - Satan
It’s not like they are going to say anything else?
I’m sick of the memes already and it’s only been a day or so
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Forgive me in saying this, but this whole discussion has gotten way out of proportion. It’s been a while since I’ve seen that many death threats left and right. But that’s the internet nowadays. Tiresome.
It’s just a bunch of dumbasses in here downvoting anything that even mentions AI. It’s been like this in pretty much every single thread.
Haven’t seen a single one of them actually try to have a discussion about the technology and they’re all too stupid to realize this is still in development and will continue to improve. Same with the whole circle jerk about the graphics cards, so what if it currently runs on two 5090 cards? It’s not like that card is the last one we are ever going to get.
