• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      Retribution for what?

      Fighting back.

      Not immediately kowtowing to the wounded narcissist?

      Practically since Reagan, it has been crazy to see how many times the Iranian Revolutionary Guard has done exactly that. The Ayatollah worked with Rumsfeld. He worked with Bush. He worked with Obama. He worked with Trump the first time. He worked with Biden. It’s amazing how many times Iranian leadership could be bought off with the promise of sanctions relief or was willing to turn the other check in the face of a political assassination or a stuxnet computer virus or a frigate seizure.

      Whipped dogs rolled over less frequently than the Iranian government, until we straight up started putting bullets into the heads of their senior leadership. Now the only people left to run the country are the real, actual, not-fucking-around revolutionary diehards.

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      It’s not sound logic, but everyone needs to understand how a narcissist thinks these days.

      They end conflicts based on when they think they have an advantage. Prior goals aren’t important just being able to declare victory.

      If/when the other side doesn’t stop when you tell them to, the narcissist acts and truly believes a new conflict has just started, and they are now legitimately the victim and not an aggressor.

      In their heads, that’s reality.

      So yeah, it fucking sucks and shouldn’t be like this.

      But a narcissist is in charge of America’s military, and that’s how he thinks. And if no one stops him it’s going to get worse.

      No matter what happens in Iran, he’s going to twist it as justification to push further somewhere else. Either because he gets what he wants, or he doesn’t and feels he needs to save face by looking strong somewhere else.

      For as long as he’s in office he’ll keep doing this to other countries that have natural resources

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    So genocide? You want to start a genocide? I mean at this point you could just say that and still remain President. I’m sure Mike Johnson already has an excuse locked and loaded.

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      You want to start a genocide?

      We’ve been sponsoring or engaged in genocide in the Middle East since the Nakba of '48. Trump’s just doing it badly.

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      I feel like there needs to be a word for intentionally killing mass numbers of civilians that captures the gravity of the crime, without resorting to using the word genocide. Genocide should be reserved for actual attempts to remove certain genetic lines from the gene pool, which includes going after the diaspora, the way the Nazis did with Jews in WW2.

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        Genocide should be reserved for actual attempts to remove certain genetic lines from the gene pool, which includes going after the diaspora, the way the Nazis did with Jews in WW2.

        So what was the real death toll for the Nazi Jewish genocide? Because while some Jewish groups have distinct genetic lines, many don’t. And Jewish people who were simply ethnic Germans also got sent to the camps. Do they not get counted as part of the Holocaust, as they were only targeted for their religion, not their genetics?

        In practice, because human beings tend to marry and have kids at much higher rates within their religious and cultural groups than without, a genocide against a religious group is indistinguishable from a genocide against a genetic lineage. Also, your definition allows for a lot of genocide apologia. Those who want to downplay a genocide can simply say that an ethnic group was merely targeted for some action among that ethnic group. “They weren’t killed for their race. We just made it a capital offense to listen to the music most commonly listened to by members of that race. They were killed for their musical taste, not their race. So it’s not a genocide.”

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          The original comment we are threaded under is claiming that the Trump administration, by committing the clear war crime of targeting civilian infrastructure in Iran, would also be committing genocide. Do you agree with this assessment? Do we need to lump all evil acts under the definition of genocide or risk being guilty of “apologia”?

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    I have an idea:

    Why don’t they tell him he won the Peace Prize but has to pick it up in person (ID is required to pick up peace prizes)?

    Tell him it’s at The Hague.

    Then when he gets there slap the cuffs on.

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      wait until more of America’s fleet is in Cypress for repairs so they only have a bazillion warships and warplanes available instead of 2 bazillion when you dare arrest the Commander in Cheese.

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    If he did that we wouldn’t have an economy because they’d destroy all the fossil fuel infrastructure in the Middle East.

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    This is like the 4th promise of destruction.

    I pulled that number out my ass but you get the idea

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      That’s okay. Trumy pulls all his stats out of his, and sometimes it comes out on its own in the middle of a press conference on live TV.

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    That is weird I thought we already won the war and Iran was giving big expensive gifts to Trump? Does this mean Trump was lying?!?!?! I am very shocked is something I would say if I recently had awoken from a coma I had been in since 2014.

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      It has been for a long time - see George W Bush going after his daddy’s enemies. That dumb cunt said as much during a press conference. He didn’t like Iraq because his daddy didn’t like them. Gave up huge national treasure and lives to go into Iraq for non-existent “wmds”. The US/Israel are a global problem and should be dealt with through a global response and boycott.

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    “A lot of people will say it’s a war crime because mostly these power plants are probably there for the civilian population,” said Clark, who warned “you cannot destroy civilian assets in an effort to put harm on the population.”

    He concluded, “Now, if you can show it has a military connection, that’s different. But if it’s simply to put pressure on the government by harming the civilian population, then that’s de jure– that’s a war crime.”

    You can tell it’s a war crime… Because of the way it is…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8mjam7KG8

    /s

    Fucking insane that we’re really at the level where shit is being explained like this to the US president.

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    It is in the same sentence/tweet as “Iran is very reasonable and we are likely to have a deal”. Israel prefers the genocide and no peace, even if it results in the same for GCC “US allies”. Israel has already vetoed this last weekend the “no attacks on infrasture yet” promise from Trump, and are accused of being responsible for destruction of Kuwait desalination plant.

    The only path to a peace deal, is for Iran to demand Trump to say Israel will never receive any US aid (including refueling/targeting support) again/his term, and not be eligible to buy US offensive weapons. Otherwise, talks are just a delay tactic to have Israel do the genocide.