I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating that this most recent assassination attempt was fake. Why do people think this? I’m out of the loop.
- It came on the heels of a court case that said Trump could only build his ballroom if there was a legitimate security concern (and all the right wing media had posts ready for ballroom support)
- He had never attended before now
- The response from the SS seemed… lacklustre at best.
- Karoline Leavitt said that everyone should watch because there would be shots fired.
- He was entirely ineffectual.
- Right wing women are so botox’ed that no one could see them being upset; right wing men were standing behind their wives.
Personally… fake is not exactly the answer, but it’s oh so convenient, and given that people were sending in tips about him before this, I suspect that if they hadn’t wanted this to happen, they’d have done security normally and he’d have been removed from the premises before he shot. But maybe I’m just underestimating how bad the US government’s security has become since they fired so many people.
The actual reason, which no one seems willing to admit, is because it’s an easier narrative to weaponise against Trump and MAGA. “Yes we are really trying to kill your hero but keep failing” is kind of hard to use in an internet flame war, but “you guys know he’s just using this to distract from the Epstein files, right?” is a hook that can work on some Trump supporters, who are often very conspiratorial themselves and quite obsessed with the release of the Epstein stuff. In addition, there’s this sort of cognitive dissonance going on here for many people who believe they are on the side of the moral and just, but also condemn violence (including political violence). They can’t accept that people from “their side” might actually be trying to commit murder, so instead they look for explanations that can flip it back to the black and white narrative of “we are the good guys and they are the bad guys”.
The same thing happened with the Brian Thompson and Charlie Kirk murders. Some people cannot cope with the reality that not everyone on “their side” lines up perfectly with their values, so instead they create and believe in a conspiracy theory that frames them as victims of a right-wing plot to damage their public reputation and imprison their members.
That 3 people in the US, a nation with a long history of extreme gun violence and political assassinations, may have attempted to assassinate the most divisive and dangerous president in the nation’s history during a period of extremely toxic and violent political discourse is actually a very rational and logical explanation for the three attempted shootings. Unless your entire identity is bound to this stuff and you simply can’t accept the above premise, there is really no reason to go looking for alternative conspiracies to explain what is happening.
it is designed to satiate the magat-y voters. everyone else, both outside and inside that are not conservative already see through his bs.
speculating, it happened 2 other times with the same exact pattern. and almost no followup, also its always at a critical time when epstein files are being released, and plus the iran war, its going so badly that they arnt even showing the damage to US bases in the middle east.
also its almost always a right wing rando, hmm no LEFTIST so they can pin on them, thats why they dont blast this over the news 24/7, because right wingers are the mass shooters 100% of the time.
not only that the suspicious activity both before and during the shooting. like karoline leavitt foreshadowing a shooting hours before. the general non-chalant reaction by trump.
also its almost always a right wing rando
Wouldn’t the idea of the attempted assasins being right wing speak against the idea of staging the assassination attempts? Half of Trump’s entire appeal and platform is victimhood so surely if you’re going to pretend someone tried to kill you, you’d pretend it was someone from the opposing side to your own politics to extract as much political capital from the incident as possible.
Because this was Trump’s reaction to the gunshots.
He knew. Melenomia didn’t.
he didn’t know shit. he’s senile
if he knew something, don’t you think he’d pretend?
what the hell is in your head
if she can make a face from all that botox, she is definitely surprised.
This seems like an organized propaganda campaign to simply disrupt and people are falling for it.
It’s likely not fake but Russia and China have official policies for spreading firehose of falsehoods whenever anything happens. They don’t even have to invent anything just amplify enough for grifters and memers to take off from there.
We are so fucked and people have just given up on finding reality sadly.
Even journalists are losing it. 60 minutes doing interview immediately without any research or preparation or time for story to develop is peak nail in the coffin for our information landscape. It’s literally the slow journalist group and they couldn’t slow down. We didn’t even need AI.
I still don’t understand why hostile nations push conspiracy theories. what is it supposed to be doing for them exactly? is it supposed to get another Trump elected?
Divide and conquer, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood etc. etc.
who do you think trump learned it from, PUTIN, putin has done quite a few false flags since the ukraine war and before that too.
people are really stupid. they are really, really stupid. they can’t imagine the simplest answer being the correct one. they have to think of something super complicated and unlikely and then insist on it being the correct explanation. there no reason anyone should think like this
It really feels like there’s an unseen hand making up these claims and pushing it out there which a big group of people then just run with it. Id love to be able to study where we’re seeing these first instances of these theories popping up. Those places should be watched
Doesn’t matter whether it was real, or fake. Although, if it was real, then the Secret Service really fell down on the job. A very well-known venue, with all the time to prepare--what the fuck happened there? It could have been set up, without Trump, or the Secret Service knowing about it. The shooter might have had help from someone high up in the administration. So, not “fake”, but not a “lone gunman”, either.
All that matters is he missed.
“There will be some shots fired ronight”
When you repeatedly lie and act like an AH about some pretty major stuff, why would you expect people to believe ANYTHING you claim? 🤷♀️ Be more of a surprise if the guy ever spoke for 3 minutes without a single lie at this point lol
Just sneak in a Javelin, I don’t think it will miss
There seems to be a coordinated effort to push this theory. I don’t know if it’s strictly Lemmy or if it’s also on Facebook and Reddit as well.
It’s hard to say exactly what they are trying to accomplish. Do they want to actually convince other people that it’s a conspiracy, or do they want to give the impression that lots of people believe in a conspiracy? I couldn’t say.
Because it has more than enough plausibility based on a number of statements and observations that are well documented?
It’s not particularly plausible. If you want to stage a shooting, you’d either kill the “shooter” or avoid capturing them.
… regardless, another theory is that this is hate spamming. Alot of these poorly implemented misinformation campaigns serve no purpose other than to torment a person or organization. The lemmy administrators did recently get into a spat with someone who seems…motivated and unique.
Mainly because he’s using it as an excuse to imply he needs his stupid ballroom because of national security.
That “ballroom” is a data center.
How does one become this stupid?
Because it is so convenient. He’s way down in the polls with no chance of recovery. He needs an excuse for martial law to keep the elections from happening. He is so unfit to speak and be seen publicly that they need an excuse why he can’t be out in public. And, it worked last time to get him elected. Although this time I don’t think they killed an spectator.
But low approval rate would also increase like hood of an assassination attempt right?
real one would have succeeded
Trump’s whole term in office has been difficult to follow. What’s going on now? What’s the truth and what isn’t? Politicians lie, but trump is the best at misinformation.
The thing is that we don’t know, but because of the environment his administration has created, you have to doubt everything he says and be skeptical of every event they’re involved in.
The conspiratorial culture of the far right is infecting every aspect of his administration. At this point it doesn’t really matter what’s true and what’s fabricated, so long as it can be spun into a media event to feed his ego.
I need to take a break from the Internet.
“I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating” - I think we’re well past insinuating. Straight out declaring would be more accurate now. The man has no credibility left. No one trusts him with the truth, their money or their daughters. If I was a betting man I’d say his foreign handlers are already lining up the next candidate for the world stage. You can also tell, by the way, that none of the big media channels are buying it either. All you need to do is compare their coverage now with at the coverage of the assassination attempts of previous presidents. When Reagan got shot the whole world stopped to look. It was literally everywhere. This, so called, “attempt” was a small front page story that will be gone in a couple of days. The mid terms are coming. I expect more and more panicked moves between now and November.
I agree he has no credibility. But is there any other reason besides that to think it was faked?
I’m not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but there was a leak a few days ago that said Trump was staging a fake PR blow up at the event. Like he’d discussed with his team that he was going to go on an unhinged rant and storm off like it was everyone else’s fault, because somehow he thinks that that makes him look like the adult in the room.
At the time I read speculation that this had been leaked by his own team in order to prevent it from happening, because it’s obviously such a stupid idea to everyone but him.
He skipped every other White House correspondents’ dinner, and he was only going to attend this one in order to stage a fake PR moment.
Obviously that’s not proof, but add it to the pile of circumstantial evidence.
The thing is people aren’t looking for reasons to believe it was faked, that’s the default with trump now. The question is what makes anyone think it’s real? He’s the one who coined fake news so can’t really blame anyone for not believing the “news” 😅
Just a bunch of suspicious actions lining up. obviously no one has come out and said “We are planning a false flag operation to fake an attempt on trumps life”
But you have right wing reporters being cut off mid sentence on right wing news programs when talking about the weird heads up they were given before it happened…
and when you have attendees discussing how weirdly light the security was compared to previous years when trump didnt attend (You’d think the president attending would have heavier security, not lighter than ever)
and a source in the white house leaking that it was planning a big mic drop event for the dinner about a week before hand
and you have trump, a known coward, who typically panics and looks for cover, sitting there smirking while its happening (No flag to drop down from a crane to make a big posed picture for this time, sadly)
and the inevitable question is… what would he gain from it if it is true? And the answer is, a lot… especially when you consider what he faces after the midterms… which is impeachment and possible 25th amendment invocation… not to mention the rest…
Like His poll numbers are at historic lows. His cult is disintegrating around him, he failed in his attempt to rig the midterm elections with the SAVE act not getting passed, and as a whole popular opinion is turning against him and the republicans, to the point that even Republicans are expecting major across the board losses come the midterms.
What better way to try to reclaim some of his popularity, his polling, and his cult, and try to rally republican voters for the midterms than with another assassination attempt? Especially since the last big one (the one that supposedly shot him in the ear, that was magically healed with no scars/trauma/etc a week and a half later) did so much to boost his polling and popularity.
like I said in the very first sentence, no ones gonna come out and straight up admit that this is what factually happened, but a skeptical look at the facts at hand, and what we know about Trump and his personality… It seems like a plausible scenario to assemble from the pieces we have.
But you have right wing reporters being cut off mid sentence on right wing news programs when talking about the weird heads up they were given before it happened…
and when you have attendees discussing how weirdly light the security was compared to previous years when trump didnt attend (You’d think the president attending would have heavier security, not lighter than ever)
Where can I find more info on this stuff in particular?
https://lemmy.world/post/46078842/23420614
I compiled some links on that post.
Thank you
No prob man, and my links arent the only ones that exist. Try to find some on your own after lookin at them. Its good to get several perspectives.
He faked the last one
