• thingAmaBob@lemmy.world
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    From the article:

    Passport revocations for unpaid child support of more than $2,500 is allowed under a rarely-enforced 1996 federal law.

    Previously, the consequence was only doled out when people with such debt sought to renew their passports.

    So, not new, just being more strongly enforced.

    Edit: more context

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      It’s racist to say it’s black men that are targeted by this move, but the move itself is obviously racist because we all know the stereotype. All around bad.

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    I don’t like this at all and it’s wrong.

    Also, fuck parents who don’t pay child support for their own kids.

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      Also, fuck parents who don’t pay child support for their own kids.

      I can’t wholeheartedly agree with this statement, only because it puts the onus on the lowest rung involved parties.

      Instead, I believe “fuck governments that don’t provide enough support for a single parent to comfortably raise a kid.”

      I don’t have kids, I don’t want to have kids, but I also don’t want to live in a world where a kid could starve or succumb to the elements because their parents weren’t ready to have or raise a child. If a parent who doesn’t pay child support means that their child’s well-being is negatively affected, then a child with only one living parent could experience the same negative effects. Why should any single parent, or child of a single parent feel stress due to the absence of a single-entity third party?

      Working in education, I frequently meet parents who don’t want to be parents, and shouldn’t be parents. I met people who believe that financial support equals ownership, and only continue harming their children because of mandated financial responsibilities. I meet single parents who are legitimately glad that the other party doesn’t pay child support, because it equals freedom from oppression or abuse for the parent and child.

      This comment kinda sounds like I’m attacking you, and I apologize for that, it’s not my intent. My intent is to break as many people as possible from the belief that it’s okay that raising a child costs two incomes. Raising a child should cost zero incomes, so that the people raising a child can experience the child as just a child and never a financial burden. I can’t even say “fuck parents who don’t help out,” because there are plenty of parents who I don’t want to see involved at all.

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        Didn’t expect to have my opinion changed on child support payments today. You make very excellent points. Thank you for providing me with a different perspective.

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        Nah, you’re good, I don’t feel attacked and I totally get where you are coming from. I don’t actually disagree with you, I think there should be more support for children and parents.

        My comment is more a knee jerk reaction to “parents” like my father who decided it was more important to feed his affair partner’s 4 children over his own, even though they had child support from their father. He argued in court to reduce child support for his own 2 kids because he had 4 other kids at home to feed. I was the kid that went to school hungry because my mom couldn’t afford breakfast and my dad withheld support until it was forced out of his paycheck. My parents were still legally married, so I didn’t qualify for free lunches until they divorced and my friends often gave me their extra food so I wouldn’t be hungry all day.

        Yes, the government should step up in situations like that and there needs to be better support systems. I think breakfast, lunch, and sometimes even dinner should be provided at schools and kids shouldn’t have to ever pay for it. And this is coming from a woman who has never and will never have children. No kid should ever go hungry, period.

        I’ll modify my comment to: Fuck the kinds of parents like my dad.

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          I’m so sorry you had to deal with that, and fuck your dad indeed. While I spent my previous comment railing against the institution vs the individual, I now see your comment as railing against the individual who does not use the established institution.

          That’s one of those “you would have helped more if you’d tried less,” kind of scenarios. I’ll never understand a parent who will punish children for their own choices.

          I hope that you’re doing better now, and I hope that telling your experiences helps to prevent or end even one situation similar to yours.

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            It’s all good. Probably didn’t help that my comment was pretty generic, I can see why you mentioned what you did and I totally agree with you.

            I’m good now, just get a little bitter at times. He died of a non-inheritable cancer a few years ago and I felt more empathy that my Aunts lost their brother than anything. It’s been 30 years since he was around, so it’s hard to care much.

            I honestly do hope someone reads my comment and rethinks how they treat their daughter some day. Just don’t be a dick to your kid and take care of them.

            Have yourself a good day and tell those kids to read more books lol

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      What do you mean “next?” Watch closely which party the parents they pick on belong to. 10:1 odds they’re disproportionately Democratic.

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        This comment was reported for “Racism”

        I have removed this comment, but not for that, as “Trustafarian” isn’t a race - it’s slang for “trust fund kids that live a hedonistic lifestyle”.

        I removed it for misinformation.

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        The US government may only revoke passports for reasons of national security. Someone being behind on bills does not meet that criteria. See Haig v. Agee, 453 U.S. 280

        https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/453/280/

        https://commons.law.famu.edu/faculty-research/155/

        "In Haig v. Agee, the United States Supreme Court held that the Secretary of State has the authority to revoke a passport when the bearer’s activities abroad “**are causing or are likely to cause serious damage to the national security or the foreign policy of the United States.” **

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          I did not get through the entire opinion, but don’t think it says what you think it says.

          The question presented is whether the President, acting through the Secretary of State, has authority to revoke a passport on the ground that the holder’s activities in foreign countries are causing or are likely to cause serious damage to the national security or foreign policy of the United States.

          The court was not asked to consider weather passports could be revoked on other grounds.

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        Freedom of travel is a right, it’s why any states license is valid in any others. Unfortunately republicans have upped id requirements to include passports in common occasions, so this is actually an attack on freedom of travel. But since Americans get off on punishment most of us won’t see a problem. Also because we’re stupid, just see any comment defending this move.

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      If you actually give a shit about child poverty, universalist aid programs are a way more efficient and effective way to address that problem, but if you’re just looking for an excuse to punish people and helping kids is beside the point rock on I guess

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      Until you realize that not having a passport is about to mean you can’t vote.

      The trick is making you think they care about people not paying child support. They’ve had decades to put other consequences in place. Why didn’t they?

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        Most of the MAGA base don’t have passports because they are isolationists filled with fear and can’t imagine the terror of going on a trip somewhere that requires a passport. A passport being required to vote would disproportionately affect Republicans. Possibly by orders of magnitude.

        Don’t take my word for it the data is there - WV and MS have less than 25% people holding passports.

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        not having a passport is about to mean you can’t vote

        Less than half of Americans have passports, and the ones who do are probably less likely to vote for republicans, they’re not going to require a US passport to vote.

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          ones who do are probably less likely to vote for republicans

          You said the quiet part out loud. Now learn about the loud part. Many people with passports didn’t get the “RealID” because the Passport always usurped it.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safeguard_American_Voter_Eligibility_Act

          Edit: also this kind of “well, they won’t do it” is literally how every other fascist state has come into being, so I hope you enjoy your ignorance while it lasts. No, I don’t care about being nice. Time to grow up and stop with the whataboutism.

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            They won’t do it because it would disenfranchise their own voters and enfranchise the opposition. Are you not American and confused the parties?

            Edit: who is downvoting this? Are there people who think the republicans are going to rig the game against themselves?

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              Oh yeah, because it’s simply impossible for them to send ICE into blue states to “secure the elections”

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                  You’re trolling, right? I can’t imagine why I’d have to explain this otherwise.

                  Laws aren’t magical spells that change reality. If Republicans introduce a law saying “you must have a passport to vote”, people can still vote without a passport as long as nobody prevents them from doing so. Republicans can send ICE to polling stations in blue states to prevent people from voting without a passport.

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          That’s a dangerously complacent view to hold, imo. There’s been a lot of “but that would never happen” happening lately.