I read people say online that Americans are loud. What does this mean, exactly? Is it literal volume or is it our personality/presentation? Something else?

I may be moving to Australia because of my wife’s job, and I want to better understand this. I want to assimilate and I don’t want to be annoying. I’m personally pretty low key and listen more than speak, but this is my perception of myself.

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    Volume for sure, but also Americans seem to be largely incapable of experiencing silence. They tend to fill silence as if they love the sound of their own voice.

    Obviously this isn’t all Americans, and my only experience of Americans are when they’re tourists.

    You say you listen more than you speak so you’re probably fine. Even just asking about how to not be annoying shows you have more self awareness than any American I’ve ever met

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      Thank you so much for your reply!

      The constant talking thing is definitely cultural. Americans get nervous during silence in conversations because we think there is something wrong like we’re not interesting or people don’t value us or something. It’s absolutely our own stupid hang up.

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    As a Midwestern American, my girlfriend and I went abroad on a trip that happens to be where cruise ships dock. We did not take a cruise. However, the most annoying people we met on the entire trip were southerners from the US. Just everything about them was the worst. Every stereotype you can imagine was being presented. They were god fearing and cheeto loving, and they made it known. We weren’t even in the US, for fuck’s sake. The cherry on top, for me, was every single American store we passed on the tour bus, one of them had to yell the name of the store. “SAYAM’S CLUHHHB”…“WAYNDEES” Like, can you shut the fuck up? It was, right then, in that exact moment, it hit me like a bolt of lightning, no wonder people say Americans are loud and annoying. Because the vocal yokels absolutely are.

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      Oof. We Americans are such douchebags sometimes. Hello fellow Midwesterner! I’m in the Chicago area myself currently.

      Thanks for your insight and anecdote!

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    you will not be a loud American in Australia, they won’t allow you to be louder then they are

    its bizzaro world down under

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      🤣🤣🤣🤣

      I only visited Sydney and Cairns, but they were definitely not loud to me. They seemed the same as most Americans that I know. Maybe that’s the point though? I don’t notice how loud we are in actuality?

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        I don’t think you would notice just walking down the street. Try being in an environment where you actually deal with people consistently over time, such as a classroom, an office, or a place where you volunteer.

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    I flew back to America from Tokyo today and as a frequent traveler to Japan I can tell you it’s all of the above. As a very introverted, easily overstimulated person I love going to Japan because it’s my ‘quiet time’. Coming home I’m usually overwhelmed by the sheer noise of being in America.

    1. People simply speak louder than they need to here. In Japan you speak in a hushed voice unless it’s necessary to raise it. Also people aren’t afraid to lean in a little closer to hear what is being said to them. In America people stand 2 meters away from each other and have to speak loud enough for the whole room to hear
    2. People speak more and don’t value quiet time. In Japan you don’t speak on trains. Your inane conversation can wait. Its more pleasant for everyone if you just stay quiet. Then an American tourist boards and everyone in the car gets to hear all about their opinions on some anime whether they want to or not
    3. People tent to interject / interrupt more here

    Hopefully this didn’t come across too much as venting. I can’t wait to go back.

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      Thank you for your answer! It’s definitely not coming across as venting. You have some great thoughts and the idea about standing further away when speaking really hits home to me as something I’ve been thinking might be part of the reason for our loudness as I’ve been reading other answers.

      Thanks for the Tokyo insight as well. Our family has booked a trip to Japan this Fall, so we’ve been trying to brush up on culture and language as best we can so we aren’t total assholes over there. 😂

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    As European travelling in Asia at the moment, I notice this a lot.

    • Americans tend to speak louder, especially in groups
    • You seem to speak with deeper voices. But that could also be just my imagination.
    • You seem to speak more since you do a lot of small-talk. That’s something not so common in other countries.
    • And since many people speak English, maybe we just notice it more since we can understand it. When there are let’s say loud Chinese around, it’s more like a background noise.

    There are loud people from all countries, and Americans are at least pretty nice usually. But in my opinion it’s true, you are also louder than most.

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      Thank you for this answer!

      It really has me thinking about why we speak louder. It’s got to be something to do about our culture here. Proud? Bravado? We have more space and we’re used to having to project our voices? The want to be heard over others (competition)? I really have no clue, but it’s an interesting subject.

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        I want to reply with a joke about how America is a big country and people need to talk louder because of it, but you raise a very good question.

        I would venture a guess that your suggestion about the space being bigger and people having to project their voices as a possible reason.

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          It’s entirely possible. Or maybe we’re so fat that we have to work harder to speak and thus we get louder? 🤣🤣🤣

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    So here’s a Canadian answer.

    I have found that, on average, Americans speak at a higher volume than folks from my country. At the same time, they seem more willing to share things that we wouldn’t except in more familiar company. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing, but there are times when I would recommend a touch more discretion.

    For the most part I think you’ll be fine in Australia. Just whatever you do, DON’T support Collingwood and DON’T drink Fosters.

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      Ha! Thank you for the comment.

      Fosters? Seriously? When there are craft brews? I’m going to be drink the craft or wines…I just wish weed was legal.

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        Oh, just a note. Don’t look for a “pub” or a “bar”. For some obscure reason, a drinking establishment is called a “hotel”. I don’t know why but that’s the way it is. I spent about 45 minutes wandering around trying to find a place for a bite and a drink. Finally had to flag down a local.

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    Let me put it this way: When I am in a restaurant/bar/pub/similar place, I can’t follow the conversations of the people at the other tables. However, with US-Americans, I understand every single word, even if they’re two tables over. Their normal conversational volume is just so much higher. To them, it is completely normal, and they don’t seem to notice. To us, they’re speaking very loudly, as if everyone were hard of hearing, or as if we were on a construction site.

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    I went to Geneva, Switzerland when I was in college. There was a public square with about 1000 Swiss eating at different tables, all leaning forward like they were telling secrets. We 6 American college students were louder than all the 1000 Swiss in the square, by volume.

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      Wow. Any reason why you kept going? If I noticed that then I would probably mimic others nearby.

      Thanks for your reply!

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        We were just laughing and talking among ourselves as per usual. This was before cellphones.

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      We 6 American college students were louder than all the 1000 Swiss in the square, by volume.

      You noticed this and just kept going?

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          I wasn’t even being judgmental. Just curious. I basically have a personality disorder because I have a loud voice and am kinda extroverted. But I think if I were to live in like L.A. I’d be considered introverted. Maybe average for like rural Minnesota.

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    It’s very hard to explain. I’m not American but I’ve migrated to Australia. What you will find is a culture that is probably much more polite and considerate of others than American culture, and also, the culture here doesn’t appreciate individuality much. I’m painting this with broad generalizations so of course this will differ from person to person, but generally, this is my assessment.

    Individuality isn’t overtly shunned, people will tell you to be you, but subconsciously you will find the real attitude is that people who stand out are also set apart, semi ostracized. It takes loads of charisma to stand out in a positive light here. This is the land of the tall poppy syndrome. Difficult to put in words, I would bet money you won’t notice upon your arrival, you’d be like “nah man that mothra dude on lemmy was talking shit, people here are super friendly” and then after a year or two you’ll see the pattern. It’s very subtle but very much there.

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      That makes total sense to me. Look at the culture, it’s about doing good for all (environmentally friendly, better healthcare for all, etc). I think you’re probably spot on.

      Thank you for your answer. I’ll have to pay close attention to that if we end up moving there. Also, as a Godzilla fan I love your name!

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      lol. I appreciate this comment. Honestly, I’ve been to Australia, Italy, Germany, and Mexico. Every country has these people. I just find it interesting that Americans are called out for it so much, but I also kind of get it too. 😂

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        Most Americans cannot afford to spend big on Transatlantic vacations. So the loud people are most often people in a certain income bracket & higher who are just mannerless in the first place. These are also the people who get pissed off that (insert country here) is not speaking English to them.

        America has a reputation, and not just as vacationers, for doing everything over the top and at high volume. Just listen to people when you are out.

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    The fact that you’re asking/concerned tells me you’ll probably be ok.

    I’m an American who moved to Australia for a while. I wasn’t ever pegged as an American because of my voice volume. What caught me was my smile; easy-coming with white, straight teeth exposed. I was told I could be confused for a Canadian except that I spoke too fast. Apparently, the speed-quipping Letterkenny sorts hadn’t made it to Australia yet.

    Also, think about what you want by “assimilation”. You would probably enjoy getting to know an Aussie visiting the US, no? Getting to hear their perspective on the country they’re visiting? Enjoying seeing them experience our cultural quirks? Assume the same good faith of Australians. Current politics aside, Americans and Australians have a very friendly history. Just don’t be an asshole about it, continuously pointing out how everything is different/better in the US.

    My weirdest, most uncomfortable repeat experience had a gendered element that you probably won’t experience but your wife might. Older (50+) dudes on several occasions took the liberty of telling me, an American woman, all about how American soldiers stationed in Australia during l WW2 “stole” all the womens’ attention. They were just so hygienic and handsome in their uniforms, the Aussie men didn’t have a chance. So yeah, some might have a weird grudge over their fathers or grandfathers going through a dry spell almost a century ago. I share this story to illustrate that people are people, same is Australia. You will neither be universally liked nor universally hated by all Australians. Most of them are decent sorts, and a few of them are massive assholes.

    Don’t attempt shrimp on the barbie or baby-eating dingo jokes until you know a person very well.

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      Thank you so much for this answer! You have some fantastic advice and anecdotes here. I definitely speak quickly and now it has me wondering why that is. It’s an interesting quirk and I’ll see if I can curb it some.

      I’m finishing my masters program for elementary education, so I have to slow down some anyway because of speaking with linguistically diverse children so maybe that’s will help. I’m hoping to land a job as a teacher at some point over there after I get my foot in the door being a relief (substitute) teacher.

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    It means the other country is perpetuating stereotypes.

    Let me tell you a few more:

    • French are dirty
    • Parisians are all supermodels or pick pockets
    • English politeness is just their passive aggressive bullshit
    • Japanese are rude as shit
    • Germans are robots
    • Mexicans are lazy
    • Canadians are overly polite
    • Italians are way too passionate
    • Australians are way too laid back
    • Icelanders fuck a lot
    • South Africans are racist assholes

    To be clear, I don’t agree with or believe any of the above, I am just telling you the stereotypes.

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      Absolutely. It’s a fair point. People are people and should be judged on their individual basis.

      Thank you for your answer.

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    Others here have covered great points, especially that it is a physical loudness and presence.

    I would add that everyone tends to be very knowledgeable about US culture, history, geography, politics etc from TV, films and news but with the “typical Americans” you are talking about, they know almost nothing about other countries or cultures. They might know very high level things like what Buckingham Palace is where the King lives but not much beyond that. The worst of the stereotype just don’t care and don’t show an interest in learning anything. It’s almost like a tick box to see certain things and then that’s their holiday done.

    Slow an interest and curiosity and you’ll be fine. Look at what the locals are doing and try to copy them. If you go to London, everyone will stand on the right on escalators. Anybody with eyes can see that! Yet you’ll find so many people don’t look or care so get in the way.

    Also, all countries have stereotypes that apply to most people but not everyone - the British are horrible binge drinkers who go for cheap beers in the sun. Im not like that but can certainly agree with the sentiment after seeing Brits abroad! Just sitting back and noticing goes a long way.

    Shopping and service culture is very different. Most retail staff don’t have to welcome everyone, make small talk, fake an interest or have to stand up all day at a checkout to not be lazy. Restaurant staff often seem “rude” compared to America but in reality they’re just trying to do their job and we don’t always want the American style customer service. I’ll ask if I need help!