Full disclosure, I live in Africa and don’t have a dog in this fight. I like proper discourse and it’s alright if I and another person disagree on something, what is important is that we communicate and understand where the other is coming from. The ultimate goal is the satiation of needless and avoidable suffering for all minds.
I’ve only been on Lemmy for a few days but across any sub I’ve noticed any criticism of China or the CCP is met with immediate downvotes and anything remotely positive of the US or really any western country whatsoever meets a similar fate.
Anything pro-African is mostly neutral but in essence ignored, no upvotes, no downvotes, no comments.
Has anyone else noticed this? Am I completely off base here? And is there anything else here that seemingly gets downvoted automatically. It would be sad to see the fediverse and Lemmy be nothing more than just another echo chamber on the web.
Finally, I am posting this assuming it will also be downvoted to hell based on the title alone and that itself will be some monochrome of truth of the situation here.
I’m also African. I used to be fairly biased towards west, as in letting them get away with foreign intervention with just minor scrutiny while being strongly against china russia and islam for their downfalls(misogyny, oppression ect). up until the whole files release and that took me down a rabbit hole of learning about reality of 9/11 the magnitude of bias in mainstream media and finally reading about history of socialism and eventually communism starting from Che Guevara
That alone already made me have severe criticism of US as is but what sent me over the edge is how complacent americans are, if these things happened in any other country the entire economy would be shut down by the people, but they’re just trying to avoid talking or bringing up this subject, or saying it’s out of their power, then the next moment starting a topic about their latest high end keyboard and travel plans, then switching to the difficulties of living end to end
I do my best to try and be kind i swear i do, but things like this actually drive me insane not cause they happen but because of how often it does. I kid you not i’m completely sold that if anyone will stop the west’s imperialism and foreign intervention it’s going to be another African American or LGBTQ or some minority as usual, because only suffering can bring about change and i do not see suffering from the lifestyles of the americans i talk with, it’s always only on paper
The way i see it is they feel unmotivated to reign their government in due to their lifestyle no longer being at the top of charts or better than europe? How does that fix anything in their situation though, and what do i say living off only 2 meals a day to save money? The only thing that got majority of west sphere to hate genocidal regime wasn’t their tax money being spent on it but the raising of gas price? Please someone make me central again i’m so sad now
No i’m not paid off i’m just waiting for the American people to pull their weight in all of this or not silencing and smearing people that are trying to pull in their behalf before i can feel the brotherhood bond with them as i do with soviets(not current russia) and china fighting back against RAM cartel and fossil fuels, please
This exactly. Once you start actually engaging with history in earnest, and breaking down the narratives we’ve been fed our whole lives, it becomes impossible to see the world in the same way.
That would require reading a book that wasn’t assigned to them by their government in school, and they’d rather die.
Most of us are not being compliant because we want to be . Most of us are barely surviving and if we fight the system we lose everything. Or housing, our jobs, food, and families
I understand it’s very difficult when you’re just trying to get by. I truly get that. But if the average citizen doesn’t risk the things they hold dear in order to do the right thing, no one is going to do it for you. There’s a point where they’ve consolidated too much power for you to realistically do anything about it. You’re not there yet, though it’s headed in that direction fast. There’s still a window of opportunity.
I would look, for example, to the Ukrainian Euromaidan as inspiration. They risked everything, and many lost their lives. But they succeeded. It can be done. If you give up before the fight has started, what’s even the point of being alive?
So… Cowardice and moral bankruptcy.
Trying not to be homeless, jobless, and starving is cowardice and moral bankruptcy now?
To borrow from the famous and possibly fabled merkavist:
https://www.chabad.org/search/keyword_cdo/kid/11366/jewish/Soul-levels-of.htm
Sorry I haven’t single handedly overthrown the most powerful empire in the world.
If not overthrowing the entire government singlehandedly is what you think “compliance” means, I have a motorbike to sell you.
I didn’t say the thing you are responding to, bro. I said, “Sorry I haven’t single handedly overthrown the most powerful empire in the world.”
Have you read theory? Joined a group? Union? Doing any mutual aid? Community garden? Working to form a vanguard? You people are like children. No one expects you to put on a red cape and fly, we do expect you to get off your ass and do SOMETHING.
We are like children.
White Americans have been raised to believe the most preposterous set of lies about ourselves (land of freedom, etc) and the amount of effort to sustain that belief despite all evidence to the contrary is hard to imagine. Effort from the ruling class (eg “god save America” at the baseball game) but also internal efforts from the people themselves - because the collapse of the lie tears your self image apart. This actually started during the George Floyd Black Lives Matter moment but the reaction the other way brings us back to Trump.
People who want real change, and end to imperialism and capitalism feel isolated and hopeless. 1/3 if the country are committed to racism and misogyny. All lot of better off folks just want the illusions of the old normalcy back.
It doesn’t help that truly unedited critical voices here get shut down for somehow being responsible for Putin.
Fuck all the way off. Your point does not merit more than that as a response. Fuck off.
You are a lazy, fat, petulant child. You are Veronica in Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. You imagine your slavish cowardice will save you.