Full disclosure, I live in Africa and don’t have a dog in this fight. I like proper discourse and it’s alright if I and another person disagree on something, what is important is that we communicate and understand where the other is coming from. The ultimate goal is the satiation of needless and avoidable suffering for all minds.
I’ve only been on Lemmy for a few days but across any sub I’ve noticed any criticism of China or the CCP is met with immediate downvotes and anything remotely positive of the US or really any western country whatsoever meets a similar fate.
Anything pro-African is mostly neutral but in essence ignored, no upvotes, no downvotes, no comments.
Has anyone else noticed this? Am I completely off base here? And is there anything else here that seemingly gets downvoted automatically. It would be sad to see the fediverse and Lemmy be nothing more than just another echo chamber on the web.
Finally, I am posting this assuming it will also be downvoted to hell based on the title alone and that itself will be some monochrome of truth of the situation here.
Lemmy was created by communists, for communists. It’s gonna have communists in it.
Yea but not the cool kind of communists, the lame kind of Communists.
All the cool communists are out in the real world, robbing banks or something.
I though they were running food banks and offering legal aid to poor folks.
Anarchists. Those are anarchists your thinking of.
The communists are doing the thing they do best. Enjoying comfortable positions in western democracies.
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People who think Anarchy can actually work are dumb, though. It could only ever really work within a small community and where you can just kick people out when they suck.
.ml has a lot of cool users.
Unfortunately there are just enough asshats there to taint the entire userbase. I find myself looking askance at any @lemmy.ml, also @hexbear - IMO it’s well deserved. I’d recommend another instance besides those if you want to be taken seriously.
Oh it is deserved, it’s bad leadership, along with a sort of hierarchy, they have like enforcer types as well as their partizans.
If you say the wrong thing they will endlessly troll you, not just from their instance, from other non tankie instances.
Hexbear is the worst.
That said, they have a lot of cool users, you just have to stick to certain issues, politics is a waste of time. Yes things are bad in the west they agree, oh you want to improve it? Fuck you, (their attitude towards me and others not you personally,) there is no making it better only full scale revolution will help, they will say.
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First thing this is all purely personal opinion viewing stuff from outside and as a general interest in world history.
I am an American but I have lived outside the USA for a couple years and no it wasn’t on a military base.
So with that said my personal interpretation is that China is still largely the same China as in ancient times and has decided to take several large chunks of both Communism and Capitalism and add those to the far far larger just continuing to do/be the same as they have for thousands of years.
To put it a different way, it is a case of fix what they feel was/is broken and keep doing all the things that work and from their point of view China has kept itself as one of the largest Nations in history for one of the longest times of any country.
So on the bad side you have things like them being willing to be extremely repressive is terms of censorship. Or the oppression of minorities they don’t fall in line enough to the central control of the government. Or minimizing stories that damage their reputation like mining issues.
On the good side they seem to be able to at least partially consider long term large scale society value. At least from the point of view of engineering. The USA by comparison seems to exclusively only consider short term value. Often in terms of weeks or a financial quarter and occasionally the few year duration of a presidential or Senate term.
China also seems to care about improving the average life of it’s citizens. This is a big deal and probably the most “Communist” thing. However that also goes along with them seemingly not just allowing but being perfectly happy to have some people have truly horrific lives as long as the baseline average is improving.
For something created by communists, for communists - it’s amazing how the loudest voice is people complaining about tankies.