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Any service only cares about engagement so the dislike was never really useful because the core of engagement is rage bait. The only way to truly downvote content is to not engage with it whatsoever. Ex. The only way to dislike Instagram is to not use the platform
Yes! I’m not on insta or TikTok, but people will share horrible things like “can you believe they said this?” And yes, quite frankly I can because here you are commenting on it and sharing it. It’s like people don’t understand the concept of engagement. If someone has a video abusing their child, just report the video and potentially send it to the authorities if needed. Don’t comment and share the video!
The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference
You mean it can’t detect hatewatching?
It’s unfortunately still engagement and it feeds the algorithm all the same.
I remember Reddit used to have the ability to show both upvote and downvotes. I miss that feature.
It is possible to see those numbers, it’s just super janky. If you click on the upvote count in a web browser, a tooltip pops up showing the breakdown of up vs. down votes. Usually… well, sometimes. It helps to zoom way far in and hit it exactly in the center of the number.
I miss Lemmy’s better UI presentation of things, and also its vastly superior searching, but otherwise PieFed seems better in every way.
YouTube could only envy Pornhub.
Pornhub has way better content
AND they even have porn, too!
Better volume controls also
This is crucial
The decision to kill the dislike button is very much strictly anti consumer and marks the beginning of the enshitification of youtube, especially the enshitification of the comment section. It use to be that if someone had the most dogshit opinion, they would be disliked into oblivion and nobody would see it. Now even the worst opinions imaginable will be pushed to the top if it can find 100 like minded mouth breathers, effectively normalizing it in the eyes of the average viewer. Same goes for whole videos too. I desperately wish we would come up with a real federated alternative to it, because right now its actively contributing to the decline of humanity.
PeerTube?
It became shit when googol bought it.
When you remove the value of dislikes, it also removes the value of likes to users.
Money… It looks better not to show dislikes and it puts users into echo chamber.
That’s pretty much all social media’s pipeline right now, just take a look at Bluesky and you’ll see aside from reporting a post/comment there’s no way to downvote/dislike.
Bluesky is a bad example for no dislike, as it is Twitter-like which also has no dislikes. Same with Mastodon and many other post-based Fedi platforms.
Does anyone know is there a reason why they got rid of dislike? I’d have thought they’d want it to help improve recommendations?
They want more money. Helping the user is only good if it makes money. Anyway, down votes give viewers more information, and probably YT wants to doctor the data in a way that downvotes block.
For example, I would always downvote AI content if allowed. So would countless others. But YT wants people to watch it, right? So they gotta suppress our negative feedback.
The main reason cited was that downvotes discouraged creators from naming and uploading content. There’s probably some truth to it. If I got served with a 10 minute tutorial video and a 60% vote ratio I’m probably not watching that very far.
So, what are good alternatives to YouTube and how do I get there?
It breaks my heart that it’s come to this. I used YouTube my whole life to learn. It’s like a living breathing encyclopedia for art, math, science and culture. More than 2 decades of pure human knowledge is on there. I’ve learned more than I could ever hope to learn from just using books and my library. Some things are best absorbed visually.
And now, I find myself thinking the same thing as you. I don’t want to leave these decades of knowledge behind. Some channels have been dead for years but what they taught is irreplaceable. It’s so incredibly unfair that such a collective effort of the world can be bought up by a giant corporation and exploited.
I guess the same goes with what AI did to decades of written knowledge. Decades of people creating content just trying to help others, and it’s being looked at with dollar signs.
Doesn’t seem fair.
Aside from complaining, make sure to do something about it. Otherwise there’s no point.
- Absolutely use uBlock Origin and Sponsorblock on all devices you watch youtube on.
- There’s a Return Youtube Dislike extension you can use. Bonus: you can use data from it to shame various’ companies videos, which is what youtube primarily wanted to avoid by removing dislikes.
- For creators mostly - there are other video-sharing websites you can post your content on (or even easily mirror your youtube uploads). Make sure to upload somewhere else too, so that more people can leave youtube forever.
Do whatever you can to harm youtube (or Google more broadly), as well as support alternatives. Memes and complaining by themselves are pointless, and solve zero issues.
Oops i seem to have dropped some links
https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp
I cringe on the inside whenever i see the normal YouTube website these days. Take the content, forget the platform.
I witnessed it appear and then disappear, a strange feeling indeed.
You see them on SmarTube. But I imagine, like most voting on the internet, it snowballs from whatever tilt it initially showed. People be herds like that. They’ll dislike or disagree with something, but change that opinion once they see what “most” others think at that time. Even if it’s 2 Likes and 1 Dislike.
And that is a fantastic pathway for engagement and ad revenue. “Markets” or market segmentation, are just our fancy terms for herds.
Everyone is upvoting this comment so I must downvote to prove I’m not part of the herd
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This has always confused me.
I’ve never liked, disliked, rated, commented, or shared a Youtube video. Because I’m using Freetube, I technically don’t even subscribe anymore. Why are y’all so eager to maintain the algorithm? Does “disliking” a video feel like agency?
If you really wanna punish Youtube creators, watch their video for less than 30 seconds. That won’t count as a view, but I bet the algorithm clocks it as a dislike.
they actually changed the algorithm. it used to be preference based, but now its attention based. the people who want the dislike back want the older algorithm back because likes/dislikes used to matter, the shit would sink and the gold would float. ragebait wasn’t the norm back then.
Because it doesn’t make sense from user perspective. I watched Justin Bieber Baby, I watched Rebecca Black Friday and I started watching Bohemian rhapsody but didn’t continue as I’ve heard it alot lately. YouTube assumed I liked the two other songs and hated Queen.
See the problem? YouTube suggestions were so much better years ago, now it feels like way too much scrolling to find something good
