He added that physical and psychological damages “inflicted on each individual of the Iranian nation in the 2nd and 3rd imposed wars, from child killings and war crimes in Minab and Lamerd to attacks on medical centres, is each a legal file that must be pursued in both domestic and international courts.”
He further stated that from the “murder” of newborns and the elderly to the assassination of his father and predecessor, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, “each is a file among thousands of major legal cases that must be earnestly pursued in domestic and international courts”.
“What is definite is that these criminals must be seized by the collar and brought to justice for their criminal deeds,” he asserted.
Never in my life could I have expected to agree with the Iranian government. But, on this specific issue? I do. There needs to be accountability for this.
I agree, but you should also pay for killing women for not wearing hijab.
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Grammar… hmmm… I’m sure there’s a simile I could use in this phrase…
This doesn’t have to be an either/or situation.
First time on Lemmy? Lemmings unfortunately don’t understand that concept.
I do
We should form a club for those capable of rational thinking!
… On Lemmy? I think we are looping back here.
Generalised statements might work on reddit but to claim Lemmy users are the same is, as of now, a fools game
Unfortunately it’s still humans behind the keyboards. The “my camp, not their camp” mentality is too deeply seeded in our primate brains. This is demonstrated by the most highly upvoted comment in this comment section.
I have to say though, it seems like they stop trying to win with logic and therefore concede the discussion. On reddit I would have expected months maybe years of incoming vitriol when commenting against the grain in an obviously biased group’s post
So at least there is that, hooray
People hate whataboutism until it’s used to cast shade on the enemies of America’s oligarchs.
I don’t get how people can hate billionaires, then spout rhetoric that directly helps their genocidal programs. Iran is the lesser evil in this fight, and in fact one of the only countries standing up to the world’s biggest threat- American/western imperialism. You don’t have to like them, but you also don’t have to carry water for the oppressors.
You’re allowed to not like both of them
If every time Iran calls out the warcrimes and genocide of the US, you answer with a criticism of Iran, all you are doing is saying that the US is right to do warcrimes. That it’s justified because Iran mistreats some of its citizens.
Iran is literally fighting to stop its schoolgirls from being bombed, and you’re out here saying, “Maybe if you hadn’t forced the little girls to wear burkas they’d still be alive.”
Again, you don’t have to like them, but maybe just shut up about it for a second so we can all focus on the bigger issue. It’s called critical support.
They both suck but you’re right that Iran is more right about this than the US. It doesn’t make them good though.
I’m against that too, but not wearing hijab is not a capital offense in Iran.
The famous case of Masa Amini was a case of resisting arrest gone wrong and she died from police brutality. Saying she was killed for not wearing hijab is like saying Eric Garner was killed for not paying taxes; it’s an incomplete story.
The western leaders should be tried for crimes against humanity at the Hague. Don’t you think indiscriminate bombing, genocide, and child sex trafficking are a bigger problem?
Maybe there’s more than one problem, and none of the governments involved in this are the good guys.
Yes, America and Israel are responsible for the current clusterfuck, but Iran’s government is still pretty fucking evil.
Right, and America and Israel are literally more evil. Which governments do you have the most power to change? Do you get a vote in Iran?
Two things can be true. No need to “whatabout” these topics
The comment I’m responding to is literally a whataboutism, lol. This thread is about the US being awful.
“also” is not used for whataboutism. The comment you responded to pointed out the hypocrisy in Iran’s position here while agreeing with the general point made. You, however, singled out one side, deflecting from crimes against humanity by the Iranian mullahs by considering the other side “the bigger evil”.
I don’t even dispute that point. The problem is, the person you responded to never made a point of playing down Magastan / Israel war crimes. You don’t have a case here.
Also is used for whataboutism. Your entire premise is flawed.
I disagree wholeheartedly.
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There is already sanctions on Iran related to human right abuses by countries backing a genocidal state with weapons and diplomatic protection. Israel and the usa are the countries that are not getting punished
This absolves the USA of responsibility for waging illegal imperial war for profit and committing war crimes and funding and arming zionist genocide in Palestine.
I agree the whataboutism is lame as fuck, but idk about “absolves the USA of responsibility”. The US didn’t really even pretend this was about “bringing democracy” or whatever. The Trump admin waffled between “Israel made us do it :(” and “WOOWW LOOK AT ALL THIS OIL”
The US-Israeli propaganda machine is totally broken since Gaza. They knew there was no point in even trying to play a humanitarian angle.
Among other crimes against humanity, yes. But when focusing on the US, also for all the crimes against humanity and all the other war crimes.
Yup. Not a bad message, but a terrible messenger. His father is responsible for the massacre of thousands of protestors, and he was by all accounts part of that.
We literally admitted to arming those protesters. At that point, they’re not protesters but CIA lapdogs trying to turn Iran into another Libya.
People are judged by their own actions not the action of their parents. Not to imply that he is not authoritarian himself
They are cut from the same cloth. He has a reputation for beliefs that are as hard-line, if not more hard-line. The slaughter of protestors is absolutely relevant.
The slaughter is also part of a power structure he has put himself on top of. And there is no indication that he will be any different than his father. The power structure may change a bit after this latest war, but fundamentally it is prone to deadly crackdowns on dissent.
Talking about his father is irelevant . You can talk abiut his connection to the irgc and if role in dom previous protest
So we should prosecute trump for his father’s crimes too? Hmm…
I never said anything of the sort. But if you want a closer analogy, we should judge Donald Trump, Jr. for his father’s crimes. He has vocally supported his father and often been involved.
Then why bring up his father’s crimes at all? What could possibly be the point besides blaming the son for the sins of the father?