• Bricked@feddit.org
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    25 days ago

    Most of the former nations can at least offset this with immigration, while the latter ones don’t

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          25 days ago

          In humanity. Some people exclude others because of the order in which they apply spreads to scones, some because they disagree about whether the bread they’re eating is literally or metaphorically a man’s body, and some because they like a different sports team.

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        24 days ago

        Ok, but what happens when you have 500 million retirees that have to be supported by 300 million workers that are also trying to feed and house themselves and their children?

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    25 days ago

    .8 birth rate is going to be a huge problem for South Korea in a few years. The rest are just “oh no, capitalism’s infinite growth will be finite after all”

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      Lower birthrates are less an issue that people think.

      For any living being self replication can explode incredibly fast, and it’s usually the case when numbers dwindle, due more resources available per person.

      Big birth numbers are more worrying and limited resources lead to fast “too little resources for everyone” situation.

      I remember reading that part of what took Europe our of the dark ages after the black plague was that survivors thrived in an post plague environment. Also remember reading that dutch population growth actually taller because after so many people died survivors got more meat and food in general available to them, so their children grew a lot.

      So in general I’m always more worry about high birthrates than low birthrates.

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    25 days ago

    Birth rate isn’t the only thing, life expectancy and the age of the average population is too. This is a factor that everyone in this thread seems to be ignoring because it proves why there is an appropiate reaction to the bottom 3 countries.

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    I mean, South Korea and Japan’s birth rate is a serious problem.

    The issue is less that they’re going ‘extinct’, and more that the population pyramid is gonna look real fucky going forward, and that comes with… economic issues. And potentially cultural issues.

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        It is, but not as bad. The EU’s birth rate is higher than Japan’s, and the EU is much more immigrant-friendly - and if that makes you suck in air through your teeth, let me clarify - that’s a relative estimation. SK and Japan are… infamously hostile towards immigration.

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        Japan and Korea are both further along the path, and moving more quickly. But yes, much of the EU is still on the same path, and the time to effectively mitigate the issue will come and go before most people notice. This is a problem that always has consequences out many decades from current actions, a timeline just too far along for our hunter-gatherer brains to care much about. It will take much longer to be in a real bind, but by the time it happens it is far too late to right the ship.

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      That’s capitalism speak. There’s way to many resources in the hands of the 0.1%. Should their wealth be redistributed you’d have everyone’s needs met

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    We need less humans.

    Otherwise we will outgrow this planet and kill it and ourselves.

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        So humans constantly multiplying and growing has zero impact on the world ?

        Only capitalist overlords want constant population growth. Because that’s the only way they increase their wealth.

        By stealing it from more people. By having more desperate people who know they are easily replaceable, work for pennies.

        Exploitation is the game. And you need more people to exploit people. Boys to fight endless wars.

        Especially since their influence on the world is likely to start decreasing life span exponentially.

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        From my reading, eco-fascists demand eugenics, genocide or anti-immigration laws. Pointing out that fewer people on the planet could help, doesn’t seem fascist to me.

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          The only people parroting the dumb malthusian bullshit at this point are eco-fascists.

          There’s a hard rule for each malthusian to follow, and there’s no room for negotiation on it. If you agree with the ideas, you must volunteer to go first.

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            Volunteering to have fewer than two children is consistent with a belief that a reduction in the human population is desirable. It does not require suicide.

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            At what point did I say we need to start killing people?

            This post is about having children.

            We can all just decide to have less children and most have anyway because capitalism has made it increasingly difficult to afford children and have time to be with them.

            I myself never wanted children. I don’t have any. And I’m already at an age it would be a higher risk pregnancy.

            I have always been of the opinion that if for some reason I did change my mind about wanting children, I would become a foster parent because there are plenty of kids who need homes.

            Having a realistic perspective on population growth and it’s negative impacts is not advocating for mass killings.

            Who the fuck would think that ?